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« Reply #15 on: <03-02-14/1841:16> »
How compatible is Unwired with SR5?

Basically not.  The Matrix is completely different.
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« Reply #16 on: <03-02-14/1849:28> »
How compatible is Unwired with SR5?

It's actually one of the most obsolete books...  Since the matrix, in-universe, was overhauled, the majority of what's in that book is irrelevant. 

Anything referencing nodes, signal ranges, programs...  The entire Matrix Topology section is no longer accurate. 

System Security has some basic ideas that could be translated (things that would reduce Signal could now just cause Noise) but anything referencing IC and matrix attributes will be inaccurate.

The Hacker's Handbook chapter may introduce some concepts that still work (such as Spoofing lifestyles), but any of the mechanical stuff like backdoors, hacked accounts, and all that would need to be re-made entirely for 5th edition because of the introduction of marks as the current form of matrix recognition--  Anything about actual accounts would have to be ad-hoc until Data Trails says how it really works.

Software section is almost entirely obsolete, since matrix actions and programs have been completely revamped.  The rule for getting pirates software (1/10th the price, but it degrades over time) could still be applied to skillsoft without changing much.  The rules about a TacNet need to be reworked a little bit before they'd work in 5th as well, since PANs work differently.

The Technomancers section's crunch is mostly useless, but the fluff is relevant, if not currently accurate--  I'm wondering if they will address whether changing how TM's function was a retcon, or if they seriously all evolved with the new matrix; a possible and intriguing concept.  Since the TMs are so closely tied to the matrix, and it's established that it did, in-universe, get a big change, I really want this answered.  There's no way such a thing just happened without affecting them much.  Resonance realms likely won't be too different in 5th edition, so the fluff about them is still usable.  Paragons probably didn't just disappear (as that would have been a traumatic event) so transitioning them would be totally within reason.

Sprites; same as TM.  Fluff's accurate but could have changed, crunch is outdated entirely.

Matrix Phenomena is mostly for it's fluff, as it's legends and mysterious shit on the matrix.  The hard rules on AI's would have changed of course.

Simsense and Skillware?  Surprisingly still accurate, I feel.

And of course the Matrix Gear section is literally obsolete.  All of it could still be found, but anything that deals with the matrix (like the commlink modifications and software) would likely not work unless "updated" properly, which mechanically means it'd have to be remade for 5th.  And of course, nanotech is out of the question now.

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« Reply #17 on: <03-02-14/2057:57> »
Thank you RHat for the quick answer, and for Firebug for the indepth answer.
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« Reply #18 on: <03-02-14/2228:55> »
I too want the next source book to be Data Trails, but I recall hearing the next book is going to be Street Grimoire. Which is disappointing, but seeing how Magic shouldn't need too much changes in crunch or fluff, I'm hoping that the book will be rather "quick" to produce. But at the least, expanded rules on Alchemy might be nice.

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« Reply #19 on: <03-03-14/0001:53> »
Street Grimoire is the magic book?  I was hoping it'd be this "Aetherology" they mentioned in Gun Heaven 3.  If that's not the case, are they going to separate information on the metaplanes to a whole other book?

Correct. Street Grimoire was first name-dropped in the Coyotes e-pub (seriously, it feels like I'm the only one that even bothered to pick that one up).
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« Reply #20 on: <03-03-14/0110:04> »
I'm not one for much rumor-mongering, but I'd like to pass along a rumor that I hope is true.  The rumor is that Aetherology is a smaller book, like Coyotes and Assassin's Primer that focuses on the metaplanes and life as a mage.  I think this would be a nifty topic to cover in-depth, without all the theory crafting and game mechanics of a proper supplement.  Leave all that to Street Grimoire.
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« Reply #21 on: <03-04-14/1814:13> »
I'm not one for much rumor-mongering, but I'd like to pass along a rumor that I hope is true.  The rumor is that Aetherology is a smaller book, like Coyotes and Assassin's Primer that focuses on the metaplanes and life as a mage. 
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« Reply #22 on: <07-18-14/1617:08> »
Wondering if there's been any more info about Data Trails coming out?  Really looking forward to this one.
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« Reply #23 on: <07-18-14/1648:45> »
Nope. Still nothing. Actually, it seems like Run Faster is out next. Still no ETA on Data Trails, "Rigger 5", or "Augmentation 5th"
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« Reply #24 on: <08-01-14/0510:08> »
So, what is next, and it's release dates?
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« Reply #25 on: <08-01-14/0737:20> »
Other than Crossfire (Aug 27), I don't think we have any more release dates in hand. Next product releases we know of are the two box sets and the novel, though no dates. Next book release (my guess) is Running Faster, though no idea as to time frame.

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« Reply #26 on: <08-01-14/1300:35> »
From my estimate, I think Run Faster is either due to release in august or September.
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« Reply #27 on: <08-01-14/1340:57> »
From my estimate, I think Run Faster is either due to release in august or September.

Your estimates are off.
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« Reply #28 on: <08-01-14/1506:19> »
Your estimates are off.

Now, that's just plain unsporting...telling a guy he's wrong, but no inkling how short/long the estimate might be. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: <08-01-14/1607:55> »
Now, that's just plain unsporting...telling a guy he's wrong, but no inkling how short/long the estimate might be.

Oh, that's easy: I don't have the info of how far out the book release is. What I do know is what stage the book is in. August is right out given it's GenCon this month, and having a September release of the PDF would be a miracle.
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