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Dakka

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« on: <10-23-10/1309:30> »
I know playing a face who isn't an elf isn't the most Min/Max thing one can do, but lets just go with it.  What I could use help on is gear, and possibly some suggestions for Positive Qualities.  He gets 160k worth of gear for joining the campaign late.  Is there any way to boost Charisma without being a UGE mutant or using magic?

Metatype: Fomori (45 BP)
Race: ?
Sex: Male

Attributes: (190 BP)
Body 8
Agility 2
Reaction 4
Strength 5
Charisma 5
Intuition 4
Logic 3
Willpower 5

Special Attributes: (20 BP)
Edge: 3
Essence: 6

Skills: (150 BP)
Influence 4
Athletics 4
Firearms 1
Electronics 2
Intimidation 5
Perception 5

Knowledge Skills (21 free)
English N
Japanese 4
Horizon Group 4
Corporate Management Procedures 4
Security Procedures 4
San Francisco Clubs 3
Fashion 2

PQ: (30)
First Impression (5)
Trustworthy (Negotiation) (5)
Exceptoinal Charisma (20)

NQ: (-35)
Distintive Style (Fashion Sense) (-15)
Hung Out To Dry (-10)
Poor Self Control (Vindictive) (-10)

Gear: (160,000)
Genetic Optimization (Charisma) 45,000
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Originally an employee of the Horizon Group Mr. Face here was recently Hung Out To Dry for some infraction against the company.  Having no where else to turn he seeks the aid of a former runner team he employed (who his vindictive nature tells him must be destroyed) to help him find his old contacts and see WTH is going on.

Edit1: Genetic Optimization and Extraordinary Charisma added, Edge reduced, changed Metavariant to Fomori.
« Last Edit: <10-23-10/1824:40> by Dakka »

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« Reply #1 on: <10-23-10/1355:57> »
Tailored Pheromones are a way to raise CHA. They are in the BBB, pricey though. What are you looking for with the gear help? Stylish stuff or general suggestions?
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« Reply #2 on: <10-23-10/1431:16> »
All of the above.

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« Reply #3 on: <10-23-10/1507:01> »
Tailored Pheromones are a way to raise CHA.
Well they're a way to cain more dice for social test, doesn't actually raise charisma.
If you prefer not to be a changeling(so no metagenetic improvement) then exceptional attribute and genetic optimization combined raise your max charisma to 6, ofcource neither of those help at chargen if you don't have build points left to spend on attributes.
Also if your GM allow drug effects to stack a speedball of Ex,red mescaline and novacoke augments your Charisma with 3 points, if not just pick one of those drugs.

Also on the ware front Enhanced Pheromone Receptors 3 gives you +2 dice for social test and Vocal Range Enhancer gives +1(if your GM agrees)
« Last Edit: <10-23-10/1511:26> by Mäx »
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« Reply #4 on: <10-23-10/1718:56> »
make him Fomori (with Silk Skin ?!)
No Surge ,No Magic...
Genetic Optimisation ? ...!
Raises the CHA to 1/5(7)
with exceptional Attribute CHA he'll be back to 1/6(9)
So you have CHA 5 and 5 BP left over ;)

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« Reply #5 on: <10-23-10/1753:10> »
Why Fomori?  Just because Arcane Arrestor is awesome?  If buying Genetic Optimization at character creation does it let you up the stat with BPs or is it strictly karma related?
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« Reply #6 on: <10-23-10/1818:21> »
Why Fomori?  Just because Arcane Arrestor is awesome?  If buying Genetic Optimization at character creation does it let you up the stat with BPs or is it strictly karma related?
Yes it and exceptional attribute both raise the stats natural maximum by 1, you can buy that point in chargen or after.

On the subject of Fomori, the +1 to body is also pretty nice for the extra 5BP(over standard troll) it costs to be one.
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« Reply #7 on: <10-23-10/1825:16> »
Yea but you lose your natural armor so its kinda a wash.  Better for things like inhaled toxins I suppose.

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« Reply #8 on: <10-23-10/1924:51> »
A troll Face could be a lot of fun. Kind of an iron fist in a velvet glove. You can play nice but there's always the implied threat. System wise:

Exceptional Attribute (CHA) 20 BP +10 for the actual CHA point
Metagenic Attribute (CHA) 20 BP and includes a point of CHA
Genetic Heritage: (Gene Optimization CHA) 10 BP +10
Tailored Pheromones (3BP/15,000 nuyen per level)

will raise your raw charisma.

For increasing social skill there's
Emotitoys (Ick. But if your GM allows them all the NPC Social monkeys will have one)
Adept powers like Kinseics and Improved Skill (55 BP for a Magic 5 Adept)
First Impression
Home Ground will give you a social bonus with the locals

Metagenic Quality
Glamour (15 BP)

Honestly, an adept with Kinesics is probably the quickest, strongest way to boost your Face abilities. That's +5 to all Active Social and combines just fine with anything else in the above except Tailored Pheromones. Like a hacker or a Street Sam, its easy to sink all your starting BP into being a maxed out social monkey. After that, though, you're pretty much on a plateau. Oh, and remember to work those situational modifiers for all they're worth.
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« Reply #9 on: <10-23-10/2311:44> »
The original poster didn't want magic or SURGE (too bad, because glamour and kinesics can both give +3 bonuses).

But if you are going to be a mundane, non-changeling character, at least take advantage of 'ware.  Tailored pheromones and the vocal range enhancer both give bonuses to social skills, and cosmetic surgery can either raise Charisma (one of the optional rules), or at least nail down the +2 conditional bonus for being physically attractive for you.  A few peripherally useful mods such as clean metabolism and dietware will also help you as a face.

I dislike emotitoys/empathy software (too cheesy), although if it is in use in the game, you almost have to have it, just to keep up with everyone else who will be using it.  But most GMs seem to either disallow it or nerf it.  Pheromone receptors can give you a bonus, but I would be leery of them - in crowded rooms or other places with confused odors, or against someone with tailored pheromones, they can be a liability.  In my opinion, the detriments outweigh the sometimes-bonus you get from them.

Fomori is a good choice, not so much for the Body bonus or arcane arrester (although both are nice), but because they are more acceptable to other metatypes without eliciting the "sellout" negative backlash from other trolls that a normal troll would get for doing the same thing with cosmetic surgery (to be less lumpy).

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« Reply #10 on: <10-24-10/0237:06> »
Why Fomori?  Just because Arcane Arrestor is awesome?  If buying Genetic Optimization at character creation does it let you up the stat with BPs or is it strictly karma related?
Why Fomori ?
I like them.
They're the "Better  Variant".
Because Good Looks (Silk Skin, Bioforming) works better(ImO) If you don't have to grind off the
Bone Deposits first.And Good Looks are Important for a Face
and yes, because Arcane Arrester is a Bonus
And no,Gen.Opt is not Karma related you can raise CHA with BP

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« Reply #11 on: <10-26-10/0034:37> »
Oh, don't forget Chatty in Unwired. It only works for online interactions but that includes useful things like commcalls.

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« Reply #12 on: <10-26-10/0128:37> »
A lot of good general face tips in here, I'll try to incorporate them all sometime this week.

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« Reply #13 on: <10-26-10/1533:07> »
Best use for a troll face I can think of isn't in the stats, but in the location.

An elf face dealing with the Ork Underground... ah, sorry.. no matter how charming he is, he's still an ELF. There's a level of racism there that still has to be dealt with. And in some cases it doesn't matter what comes out of said elf's mouth. If it ain't his teeth then the orks arn't interested.