[Phylos Fett]

If your Monofilament Whip wielder is just a one-trick pony, then it's not hard to find ways to negate the trick if you really want to. But, as has been said, there are plenty of other ways to make a one-trick pony, and so long as everyone is having fun, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Now, if everyone in the team were packing these, and using them all the time, then there might be some serious cause for concern...

And now I have Devo stuck in my head...

[CanRay]

Think that's bad?  Try playing Interstate '82.  Couldn't get them out of my head for a month.

[Phylos Fett]

Well, anythings gotta be better than the New Age crap I have to listen to all day every day, at work, I suppose.

*sits back and enjoys the internal music*

[ARC]

Keep in mind though that this is a distopic future. A street cop or security guard won't hesitate to discourage riff raff like gangers, SINless and the rest of the disenfranchised with a few hits or a blast of Liquid Pain brand pepper punch, and higher end ones are willing and authorized to shoot someone, reacting more like trained soldiers then rent-a-cops.

If they think it is a battle they can win, sure, if it's not, forget about it. Acting like a trained security guard, street cop, or whatever means you should know your limitations, and know that there is safety in back-up, if it's a problem that you can't handle without breaking a sweat.

Try to walk up to a hot lab and you are less likely to run into someone there to observe, report and discourage trouble then some running though Shout-Show-Shove-Shoot ROE in their head while they point an assault rifle at you.

Sure, and you'll have the better skills, training, weapons, armor, salary and cyber to suit your position there, and also have a better back-up to call in when things look like they are going to get too much.

It's all about playing your NPCs to their role, abilities and their limitations.

I have to chime in here being Security and all.  I find that there are 4 tiers to security.  The lowest with least chance of altercations are the paper pushers.  These are the dispatchers, access control, and IT security guys.  These guys are the nervous system of security.  Someone wants to get in, well these guys figure out if they are suppoed to be there. (Mr. Johnson, I have a Spike here to see you.  Alright, I will let the boys know.)

Then there are the Security Guards.  These are your observe and report guys.  Their whole job is to watch and listen.   If they have a weapon, it's probablt just a flashlight they use as a makeshift club.  (Dispatch, I got a lab door that is unsecured, I'm going to do a walk through...CRAP!  I need backup there is a Troll in here and he doesn't look happy.  Sir, Please put the axe down.)

Security Officers are trained to go hands on or use weapons.  But nothing bigger than a heavy pistol or maybe shotgun/AR with SnS rounds.  Leathal, maybe, but main purpose is to detain or subdue.  (Dispatch this is 241, I have spotted the BOLO and am engaging.  Sir, put your weapon on the ground and step away, you have 3 seconds to comply... [bite me rent-a-cop]..Have it your way **opens fire** Target is down, securing for PD)

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

[Phylos Fett]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

[ARC]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

No not really, on military installations yes, because well it's the military.  Most Corp. Sec. In modern day get's the cops involved.  The SWAT is actual SWAT.  Not Militarized security forces.

[Phylos Fett]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

No not really, on military installations yes, because well it's the military.  Most Corp. Sec. In modern day get's the cops involved.  The SWAT is actual SWAT.  Not Militarized security forces.

My bad - when I read "security" I usually dual-read it as security/cops.

[ARC]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

No not really, on military installations yes, because well it's the military.  Most Corp. Sec. In modern day get's the cops involved.  The SWAT is actual SWAT.  Not Militarized security forces.

My bad - when I read "security" I usually dual-read it as security/cops.

I understand.  Remember in Shadowrun the reasons Corps. Are able to have such militarized units was because of the incident where there had been the truckers strike and some scabs were hauling medical waste out of NYC and rioters thought it was a food shipment.  We haven't had that happen yet.

[Phylos Fett]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

No not really, on military installations yes, because well it's the military.  Most Corp. Sec. In modern day get's the cops involved.  The SWAT is actual SWAT.  Not Militarized security forces.

My bad - when I read "security" I usually dual-read it as security/cops.

I understand.  Remember in Shadowrun the reasons Corps. Are able to have such militarized units was because of the incident where there had been the truckers strike and some scabs were hauling medical waste out of NYC and rioters thought it was a food shipment.  We haven't had that happen yet.

Yeah - Seretech and The Shiawase Decision. I think of heard of it.

[ARC]

High Threat Response is something we don't have now.  Well not on anything short of a military facility.  These are the SWAT of Corp. Sec.  These are your Red Sams, your elite of the Elite.  (We have spoted the suspect, opening Fire)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we don't have now" - I'm pretty sure we do have them now.

No not really, on military installations yes, because well it's the military.  Most Corp. Sec. In modern day get's the cops involved.  The SWAT is actual SWAT.  Not Militarized security forces.

My bad - when I read "security" I usually dual-read it as security/cops.

I understand.  Remember in Shadowrun the reasons Corps. Are able to have such militarized units was because of the incident where there had been the truckers strike and some scabs were hauling medical waste out of NYC and rioters thought it was a food shipment.  We haven't had that happen yet.

Yeah - Seretech and The Shiawase Decision. I think of heard of it.

Seretech more than Shiawase.  Shiawase gave them extraterritoriality, Seretech gave them armies.

[CanRay]

Only a matter of time...  Of course, the Police are doing a decent enough job at the moment for Corporations and the Rich to be happy with just having them.

See how well that works out now that we're starting to have uprisings all over the world...  'Course, not much different than any other era, really, is it?

[Deliverator]

Actually just about any major corporation that has cut throat R&D has their security contracted out to a "security contractor" as in blackwater or whatever now. And those ARE private armies, who were trained by the public army haha. Yeah, on a daily basis they don't have the army in their facility but if shit really hit the fan I'm 99% sure that Bob the corporate security expert would pull out his cell phone and call up his boss and say "We need backup" and his boss would say "I have 9 men on a chopper heading in, 30 minutes out" and there would be 9 guys in full battle rattle with automatic weapons and authority to detain or destroy anyone trespassing. Most places have people from Pinkerton or Securitas or whatever, but major pharmacoms have access to private armies.

[Mason]

I bet Shiawase bought Seretech.

[Chaemera]

Actually just about any major corporation that has cut throat R&D has their security contracted out to a "security contractor" as in blackwater or whatever now. And those ARE private armies, who were trained by the public army haha. Yeah, on a daily basis they don't have the army in their facility but if shit really hit the fan I'm 99% sure that Bob the corporate security expert would pull out his cell phone and call up his boss and say "We need backup" and his boss would say "I have 9 men on a chopper heading in, 30 minutes out" and there would be 9 guys in full battle rattle with automatic weapons and authority to detain or destroy anyone trespassing. Most places have people from Pinkerton or Securitas or whatever, but major pharmacoms have access to private armies.

Too much paperwork, the really cutting edge R&D places have wonderful pre-emption security that identifies potential threats before they arrive and escort them / report them / arrange for their arrest. If someone does break in, then the facility shuts down in the roach hotel "you can get in, but not out" style, then the police are invited to apprehend the suspect. See, if the R&D facility shoots someone, that makes their facility an active crime scene with the R&D facility as the suspect. That's bad for business.

[Deliverator]

What is worse for business? Letting someone live who knows anything about your current research project, or sanitizing the scene and letting the police piss into the wind while investigating the crime scene?