[Sengir]

Found something which reminded me of this thread: Java Applet showing how rumors spread. In other words, showing what does not happen, because the authors assume that Italy is close to the Congo and the Azzies loathe to decry dragon attacks

[Crimsondude]

GeMiTo's been a European Congo since SoE, and the Azzies have enough dragon problems of their own to sell to the public, but sure, your ad hominem works too.

[Mirikon]

Yeah, and for the Azzies' purposes, selling their own dragon troubles is much more profitable than dealing with dragon troubles practically in Lofwyr's back yard. With their problems, they can cast it as a fight for survival, blah blah blah. With GeMiTo, it comes off as a thinly veiled attack against S-K.

And yes, no one really cares what goes on in GeMiTo, so long as it stays in GeMiTo. People would rather think about the price of fuel going up .2 nuyen than thousands of people dying in some place far away.

[Crimsondude]

And the Azzies have someone else fighting their PR fight against Lofwyr/S-K in Eurasia for them.

[Sengir]

GeMiTo's been a European Congo since SoE, and the Azzies have enough dragon problems of their own to sell to the public, but sure, your ad hominem works too.

A European Congo as far as conditions of living and legislative power go, sure. None of which changes the fact that word-of-mouth spreads rapidly even without permeative computing, and certainly does not get slower with it...


@Mirikon: So the Azzies want to paint their dragon troubles as a fight for survival, and therefore do not want to report dragons indiscriminately feeding on humans. Riiight, if X want to paint their fight against Y as just cause, they would never emphasize a mass murder committed by Y. No party involved in a war would ever use real or made-up atrocities for propaganda...

[Mirikon]

@Mirikon: So the Azzies want to paint their dragon troubles as a fight for survival, and therefore do not want to report dragons indiscriminately feeding on humans. Riiight, if X want to paint their fight against Y as just cause, they would never emphasize a mass murder committed by Y. No party involved in a war would ever use real or made-up atrocities for propaganda...

You're missing the point, Sengir. The Azzies don't care about drumming up sympathy for victims of dragons around the world, they care about drumming up support for Aztlan/Aztechnology as they are troubled by dragons. Propagandizing Sirrurg's actions in Aztlan focuses sympathy (and the nuyen and PR support that comes with it) on Aztlan/Aztechnology. Propogandizing Alamais's actions in GeMiTo focuses sympathy on GeMiTo. The Azzies don't have a problem with dragons, generally. They have a problem with dragons that stand in their way. Even the Azzies haven't tried something as stupid as declaring war on all dragons. They are quite cleverly focusing the public's attention on Sirrurg (and Ghostwalker, when they can), using them as an excuse to develop weapons that would, coincidentally, be quite useful if turned against other Great Dragons, such as Lofwyr. If they declared war on dragons generally, that would force the other dragons to get into the fight. Did no one ever teach you the old axiom "divide and conquer"?

[Sichr]

Srry for this, well we have a say here, that would translate to something like:

Sourcebook: Shit a brick!
True believers: Look! A Brick. And it is made of gold. Ummm. And so tasty...


This discussion is full of demagogy and IMO lack ability to admit there are some mistakes. Such things happen. The book is good. Slightly above the average but not really bad. Almost useless IMO for GM so its mainly the source of fluff to add a flavour to the campaign, and as such, it works. There are flaws, well it is nothing even close to WAR! so I can live with that. Since the situation looks like gets resolved later in 5th ed, I am about to forget the foreplay as it never happened, and focus on the bigger picture.

IMO its time to move forwad for everyone, since we are beating the same dead horse for the 5th time in this thread. That Java applet is realy good. If it was used in the research phase, we may never had this conversation IMO.
Lessons learned.
Case closed.
At least for me.

[Sengir]

Propogandizing Alamais's actions in GeMiTo focuses sympathy on GeMiTo.

Alamais and Sirrurg are obviously working together, as evidenced by their wanton disregard for metahuman life. And all the powers of the world are standing by, except Aztechnology, who have taken the fight back to the monster, and vowed not to rest until all have been held accountable

Propaganda does not care about the truth, but it gets much more effective when using a verifiable and drastic event as a hook.


Also, what Sichr said