[raben-aas]

For the record: I hate (yes, hate) the SR/ED crossover and every single bit that smells like it, too. ED as a former SR never worked for me, the concept in itself is broken in way too many places to actually even consider it as anything than a joke or a very very weak marketing tool (from a storytelling point of view, of course EVERYTHING can be explained ingame, much like Aliens versus Predator or Jason versus Freddy or Freddy versus Aliens or Winnie Poo versus Vader).  

If you wanna cross two totally unrelated games by the same publisher, play BattleRun. That at least would be FUN.

Sorry to sound like a total ass, and be assured that my eternal and infernal wrath will only manifest every so often by a short outburst like this one, without ever being directed against anyone in particular. Play everything you like, as long as I'm free to ignore the ED/SR stuff (so unless Harlequin gets voted to be the next world president or the Therans start actually popping up or we get f*ing windling street samurais, I'm fine).

AAS

BTW: I don't hate ED. It played some sessions, I liked it even somewhat, just not enough to keep playing it (so many systems, so little time). Just ED and SR having anything to do with each other is just ... wrong.

[Doc Chaos]

Poo versus Vader).  

That I'd PAY to see.

windling street samurais

AAS

*cough*Pixies*cough* *runs for cover*

[raben-aas]

Poo versus Vader).  

That I'd PAY to see.

You saw Episode III, or didn't you? 

[Doc Chaos]

Now I have to clean my monitor... and keyboard... and parts of my desk...*

*this mess was brought to you by: Pepsi Cola

[Casazil]

HA! for that he gets an applaud!

[Frankie the Fomori]

LOL, I can see why some people do not like the cross over but for me even though i started with SR i played ED for three years in high school. We put so much into developing it, and our GM was brilliant with his conspiracy theory type games. He made us fear even the lowest level Horror, so know it is awesome to see it continued.

As far as seeing some of IE or great dragons in games I run.....yeah if they are there, it is not going to be playing a big role, maybe old Caimbueul is in a cafe, or out for a night in France...but i do not like world shaking events in my games. I include Inscets, shedim, and nasty blood magic, big NPC's, but never on the scale of do this or a country falls....that stuff lost it's fun years ago, I like creating a setting that is rich with detailed NPC's, and room for my PC's to create there story.

Have  a great day runners!

[Prime Mover]

The setup was there it's a shame when Earthdawn was done it wasn't tied in better.  Honestly sometimes if feels like someone sitting around with both books on table said. "Hey you know what this Earthdawn thing is sorta like what we had in mind for SR's past...Hmmm".

Having said that I like that SR has ties to the last age and I've never really had a problem with IE's or GD's.  Interaction has always been low with these beings usually a plot point as opposed to a goal or game changer.  Although I've found as players learn more about whats going on behind the scenes in SR they tend to seek out these power players.

Edit: We could form a dev team and set up a proposal for "Shadowrun The Fourth Age RPG" to Catalyst and clean up the tie ins !

[FastJack]

The setup was there it's a shame when Earthdawn was done it wasn't tied in better.  Honestly sometimes if feels like someone sitting around with both books on table said. "Hey you know what this Earthdawn thing is sorta like what we had in mind for SR's past...Hmmm".

Having said that I like that SR has ties to the last age and I've never really had a problem with IE's or GD's.  Interaction has always been low with these beings usually a plot point as opposed to a goal or game changer.  Although I've found as players learn more about whats going on behind the scenes in SR they tend to seek out these power players.

Edit: We could form a dev team and set up a proposal for "Shadowrun The Fourth Age RPG" to Catalyst and clean up the tie ins !

Nah... You'd have to call it ShadowDawn or EarthRun or somethin'...

[Doc Chaos]

Earthrun - the dawn of shadows

Actually, that doesn't sound so bad at all...

[FastJack]

I don't know. I think ShadowDawn sounds better... More ominous.

[Casazil]

Or you could make a new name not useing either of the current names for current games.

[FastJack]

Where's the fun in that?

[Dead Monky]

Let's call it Sparkles and really mess with people's heads.

[Casazil]

The proble with useing a combo name is some people who are hardcore fans of either would get all annoied at even the smallest of things that doesn't fit to what they know and then you end up with people causeing problems on fourms and what not or a game.

Sorry new name less headachs I just want to play!

[FastJack]

Ahh... The fans are going to get annoyed anyway since we're going to totally ignore back story and make the Horrors servants of The Beast and the PCs will be fighting them with swords & magic & a super-shuriken.

And I like the name Sparkles - really captures the feel of the setting.