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Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kid Zero on <03-01-14/0820:33>
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I don't think there has been a developers diary since October. We have seen all kinds of info, including a new board for Crossfire, but nothing on Gangers, which is concerning. I am greatly looking forward to this, and...nothing. Can we get some kind of update???
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CGL rarely posts here...you'd be better off asking this question via FB of email, as much as we'd all like to know.
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Can we get some kind of update???
It's in progress, no timeline available.
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Can we get some kind of update???
It's in progress, no timeline available.
Would be nice to hear something about it, though..since it is supposed to be out in Spring, per the
Year of Shadowrun advert/teaser/whatever you want to call it. So it should be almost ready. Heck,
they should be at least where Ninja Division is with Robotech Tactics, and be able to be showing
us some of the minis by now. I look forward to picking it up when I go to GenCon this year!
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Massive update posted on the blog (http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/05/sprawl-gangers-miniatures-update/); some additional art on Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/87348500516/shadowrun-sprawl-gangers-concept-art). Lots of concept art and renders...looking really nice ;D
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Yeah, the big issue (for a long time) has been the miniature side of things. We've had bitchin' concept art forever, and solid playtest rules (and feedback from them, and changed rules, and more feedback, and on and on)...it just kind of stalled out without that critical missing like, awesome minis.
I'm as psyched to see this update as you guys are. ;D
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Very cool indeed. I like the direction of going in smaller chunks, and I think a lot of people here will appreciate the outright admission of biting off more than CGL can chew. Personally, I'm just happy to see some traction, and it doesn't matter to me how it happens so much as that it happens. I am a little concerned about Hardpoint's model though. Specifically, I wonder how well that drone will hold up with the smoke trail behind it. It makes me wonder if the thing might snap off at some point. A lot of that is going to depend on materials, and so far I have no reason to doubt Green Brier's ability to make a solid model so I'm hopeful. Just cautious.
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Green Briar did some nice work w/ ZApocaplypse and their recent KS focused on a Steampunk setting. I like where things are heading. I would love to see a little more modularity with sculpts, but appreciate that that would simply add more complexity to the process. If they can maintain the level of detail being displayed, they should be a huge hit.
I really think that this game would do amazingly well via a KS campaign...likely bring in more than enough to establish critical mass and add the resources needed to support a dedicated miniatures game/line.
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I was on the border for their steampunk KS and if this announcement had come out in time I would have pulled the trigger and given them my money. I love what I'm seeing and will gladly throw them some money to show my support for the project
I like the idea of creating RPG game supplements that can then be used in gangers at a latter date.
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I love what I am seeing. And I am sorry Catalyst is having troubles with their miniatures; I've noticed the entire miniatures industry has run into production and quality problems as of late. I am glad to see those problems are being worked through, though!
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Very much looking forward to this release and I'm glad the miniatures side of things is getting on track. To be brutally honest, miniatures rules are a dime a dozen, but 21st Century official Shadowrun miniatures are long overdue. Unless the game mechanic is out of this world, you are selling the game on the IP and the quality of the figures.
Get the miniatures right and you will tap into the miniatures market. Release a sub-par set of miniatures... might as well not bother, it's that simple. Too much competition in the marketplace to produce something sub par. Look at the Infinity range for inspiration. I know for a fact that the freelance sculptors that work on Infinity: The Game are not that expensive to hire. Don't ask me about actual production costs though :)
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I should also note that CAD is not always king. The renders look a bit too "busy" to be achievable. Perhaps get a traditional miniatures sculptor to replicate the concept art and have the CAD people scan and design their figures from that. Anyway, this isn't design by committee, but that's my 2 nuyen.
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From the CGL Tumblr (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/92482007686/look-what-showed-up-these-rapid-prototypes-are), some rapid prototypes:
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/06d6832e4a81529c8ead275bc0aacb7e/tumblr_n938ol842C1siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
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Sweet! Those look pretty nice. Since they look like Reaper's Bones series, I'm guessing you don't need to prime them first, before painting?
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Sweet! Those look pretty nice. Since they look like Reaper's Bones series, I'm guessing you don't need to prime them first, before painting?
I wouldn't bet on it. Something being made of white plastic doesn't mean it's really very much like the Bones line, and even with the Bones line, the "no priming" claim is a little shaky, all depending on what paint you use (I've had to prime all of mine to get anything halfway even and smooth, for instance).
So...yeah. I wouldn't bet on it.
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I wouldn't bet on it. Something being made of white plastic doesn't mean it's really very much like the Bones line, and even with the Bones line, the "no priming" claim is a little shaky, all depending on what paint you use (I've had to prime all of mine to get anything halfway even and smooth, for instance).
So...yeah. I wouldn't bet on it.
Well, that's a bit disappointing. What brand of paint have you had the best luck with, when painting the Bones figures?
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I wouldn't bet on it. Something being made of white plastic doesn't mean it's really very much like the Bones line, and even with the Bones line, the "no priming" claim is a little shaky, all depending on what paint you use (I've had to prime all of mine to get anything halfway even and smooth, for instance).
So...yeah. I wouldn't bet on it.
Well, that's a bit disappointing. What brand of paint have you had the best luck with, when painting the Bones figures?
I've based mine (Army Painter brand primers, and I mostly use P3 paints). I've heard -- all just secondhand, so don't hold me to it, but that "secondhand" is a regular gaming buddy who's gone to several Reaper events here in Dallas, so it's not just some random internet stuff -- that the "no priming" thing is mostly true with Reaper's own brand of paints. They do go on pretty well even without primer, and you can paint up the Bones line pretty okay with 'em. Some fancy-schmancy chemical stuff, I don't have to understand it to believe him. ;) But yeah, for my Bones minis, I've just sucked it up and painted 'em like I do everything else.
Now, as a quick reminder, none of this is me saying your speculation/hope is misguided. For all I know, the Sprawl Ganger minis might be the same sort of thing, where (theoretically) no base coat is required. I've been involved with other aspects, not the miniature production side of things, so I'm certainly not officially saying anything, here. Just...I don't want'cha to get your hopes up, just based on them being white plastic, y'know? ;)
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Pretty much what Critias said ;)
Also note that these are rapid prototypes (assuming 3D printed), production samples, so expect the material to be different. I'm curious as to whether CGL is going with injection molded plastics, or cast resin/plastic. I "think" most of the BT and Leviathans minis were injection molded, but not sure if the costs and volume will be same for the Sprawl Gangers minis.
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I was assuming they would be prepainted. Oh well, didn't really have the cash for a new minis game anyway.
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Pretty sure that CGL has confirmed that will not be pre-painted minis. However, I believe that in one of the last updates, they indicated that the minis would be released in smaller "packs". Not exactly sure what the actual release plan is, but there might be some lower price points for buying in.
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Pretty much what Critias said ;)
Also note that these are rapid prototypes (assuming 3D printed), production samples, so expect the material to be different. I'm curious as to whether CGL is going with injection molded plastics, or cast resin/plastic. I "think" most of the BT and Leviathans minis were injection molded, but not sure if the costs and volume will be same for the Sprawl Gangers minis.
I am not sure, but I would be surprised if they went with cast resin/plastics. If they are expecting any volume of sales, cast miniatures are
going to be slower to make. Admittedly, this is just speculation based on what I have heard from other companies(such as: despite moving
production to their texas facility, Reaper still had to hire a Chinese company to make their bones for their kickstarters due to the number of
minis exceeded what they could do with their spin-casters in Texas. On top of that is all the problems that GW ran into with their
now-seemingly-discontinued Finecast line)
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Now, as a quick reminder, none of this is me saying your speculation/hope is misguided. For all I know, the Sprawl Ganger minis might be the same sort of thing, where (theoretically) no base coat is required. I've been involved with other aspects, not the miniature production side of things, so I'm certainly not officially saying anything, here. Just...I don't want'cha to get your hopes up, just based on them being white plastic, y'know? ;)
No worries, as long as I have an idea of what to expect it's all good. I have a brush on primer I prefer, so I'll just go ahead and use that rather than taking a chance on the paint coming off later (and on the Bones figures as well).
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I am not sure, but I would be surprised if they went with cast resin/plastics. If they are expecting any volume of sales, cast miniatures are going to be slower to make.
Completely agree, but there are big differences between the "hard" plastics you see from model manufactured and GW and the "softer" plastics from Privateer Press, Mantic and others. Not sure if any one is better than the other (though I do like the finer detail with hard plastics), really more function of the back end economics (volumes), sculpting and mold design. One of the nice things about resin is that the amount of detail that can be captured is insane...but likely way beyond the scope of this sculpts. Of course, I've now pretty much covered my limit of actual knowledge on this...sigh... ::)
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Pretty much what Critias said ;)
Also note that these are rapid prototypes (assuming 3D printed), production samples, so expect the material to be different. I'm curious as to whether CGL is going with injection molded plastics, or cast resin/plastic. I "think" most of the BT and Leviathans minis were injection molded, but not sure if the costs and volume will be same for the Sprawl Gangers minis.
I am not sure, but I would be surprised if they went with cast resin/plastics. If they are expecting any volume of sales, cast miniatures are
going to be slower to make. Admittedly, this is just speculation based on what I have heard from other companies(such as: despite moving
production to their texas facility, Reaper still had to hire a Chinese company to make their bones for their kickstarters due to the number of
minis exceeded what they could do with their spin-casters in Texas. On top of that is all the problems that GW ran into with their
now-seemingly-discontinued Finecast line)
Injection molding has a high initial cost. molds can be any wheres from 3k-150k
You can get a complete metal spin cast setup(2 casters) for around 12k. Molds are 15-90$ a pop.
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Has Sprawl Gangers been officially canceled yet? Or is it still being worked on to some degree?
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They did actually release the SR miniatures for Sprawl Gangers on the GCL store. (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/primer-runner-miniatures-preorder)
I ordered a set, and am a bit sad that Sledge's sword is bent. But it's still pretty cool. I think there was also suppose to be a female Holloweener with a gun or molotov or something. But not included with this set.
I also believe the rules were released online since the project has been abandoned by CGL. But I never saw a link, only remember people talking about it.