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Title: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Black on <05-22-11/2058:53>
Could we please have a new version of Riggers Black Book.  Rigging and vehicles don't get enough air time... so far, and even none riggers love to trick out their vehicles.  Love to see some more vehicles, vehicle art etc.

Thanks

Bryce
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: JM_Hardy on <05-22-11/2203:01>
We actually have a Black Book in the works. It will combine some already published PDFs--This Old Drone and MilSpecTech--along with Unfriendly Skies, which will have aircraft, Deadly Waves, which will have watercraft, and Gun Haven, which will have, well, guns. Some new material will be acquired in the book as well. So it's not quite the same as previous Black Books, but it will be gear and tech-riffic.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Charybdis on <05-22-11/2215:43>
We actually have a Black Book in the works.

Joy!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: KarmaInferno on <06-02-11/1013:12>
Ohgod...

This means that 5th Edition is right around the corner, doesn't it?



-k
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <06-02-11/1350:24>
Looks like I'm going to have to get a bigger closet to store all my copious amounts of firearms and gear...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: flatlyne2001 on <06-02-11/1434:53>
Ohgod...
This means that 5th Edition is right around the corner, doesn't it?
-k


Soooo not funny
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Raventrickster on <06-02-11/1532:06>
(I know this is a useless question, but still) Any thoughts on a rough timeline beyond 'sometime after all the pdfs have come out'?

Maybe even a rough idea of how long after all the pdfs have come out we'd be expecting the collection.  I mean I want to pick up Gun Heaven, but if there's a Rigger BBB coming out not too long after that I may hold off and wait for that.  On the other hand there may be enough content beyond the pdfs that I already have picked up to warrant purchasing that as well and just getting gun heaven when it comes out because I want it.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Stahlseele on <06-02-11/1655:31>
Ohgod...
This means that 5th Edition is right around the corner, doesn't it?
-k


Soooo not funny
Time's up, SR5D20.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: bigity on <06-02-11/1939:18>
Ohgod...
This means that 5th Edition is right around the corner, doesn't it?
-k


Soooo not funny
Time's up, SR5D20.

That would make me sadder than Star Wars turning D20.  And that made me very sad.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <06-03-11/0054:39>
That would make me sadder than Star Wars turning D20.  And that made me very sad.
I cried manly tears when that happened.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Mystic on <06-08-11/2012:15>
We actually have a Black Book in the works.

Joy!  :o ;D

Time to break out the Rigger gear again.

 :)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: hobgoblin on <07-15-11/1630:23>
This would be the Runner's Black Book that shows up in the opening Jackpoint entry for Street Legends i take it?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: JM_Hardy on <07-15-11/1657:09>
This would be the Runner's Black Book that shows up in the opening Jackpoint entry for Street Legends i take it?

You take it correctly. It's a compilation of several PDF-only products, with some new gear added in.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Starglyte on <07-15-11/1843:38>
This would be the Runner's Black Book that shows up in the opening Jackpoint entry for Street Legends i take it?

You take it correctly. It's a compilation of several PDF-only products, with some new gear added in.

Jason H.

This makes me a happy camper, since I like having printed books instead of pdfs. :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <07-15-11/2050:27>
Aw, yet newer gear?  I already got them on PDF and printed up nicely in binders.

*Sighs*  There goes the budget again...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <07-15-11/2302:15>
That raises an interesting question. Will the compilation be available in PDF and, if so, can those of us who purchased the other copies get a discount (or a partial file of just the new stuff)?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: JM_Hardy on <07-17-11/2232:53>
That raises an interesting question. Will the compilation be available in PDF and, if so, can those of us who purchased the other copies get a discount (or a partial file of just the new stuff)?

The compilation will not be made available in a PDF. The new stuff will be print only. Existing PDFs should be updated with corrections made for the compilation.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <07-17-11/2324:18>
*Sighs*  Pity, if I want the new stuff, I'll have to buy all the other stuff that I've already bought.

Ah well, early adopter, I'm used to that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <07-18-11/1031:53>
That raises an interesting question. Will the compilation be available in PDF and, if so, can those of us who purchased the other copies get a discount (or a partial file of just the new stuff)?

The compilation will not be made available in a PDF. The new stuff will be print only. Existing PDFs should be updated with corrections made for the compilation.

Jason H.

...and for informations you are not able to find in those PDFs you will need to buy a hardcopy this way or another. Well, CGL really learnt how to sell DLCs...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: bigity on <07-26-11/1834:22>
I can't stand DLC in video games, and I certainly am more annoyed at it in my RPGs.  Good thing I haven't bought any of the mini pdfs I guess.

Still seems like a pretty scummy move.  I might feel different as a stockholder though :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <07-26-11/1844:38>
DLCs are just the modern version of Expansion Packs from the Good Ol' Days.  Only without having to go to the store to get them.

For Pencil 'n' Paper RPGs...  Damnit, now I have to buy "Shadowrun:  Game Of The Year" edition of the PDFs to get the new stuff...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <07-26-11/2025:08>
It would be called: Shadowrun 22nd Aniversary...or 23rd? I got lost in those versions. At least Errata works for even those new editions same ways as for those old ones  :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-07-11/1452:21>
The compilation will not be made available in a PDF. The new stuff will be print only. Existing PDFs should be updated with corrections made for the compilation.

Any street date for this? Especially for the LE I heard rumors of...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-08-11/2349:51>
The LE is pretty-pretty.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Charybdis on <08-08-11/2356:17>
The LE is pretty-pretty.
My Initialism decryptor is broken...

LE ? Definition please?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-09-11/0016:31>
Limited Edition. It's all black with a shiny silver Shadowrun logo and lettering.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-09-11/0053:32>
The LE is pretty-pretty.

Where can I order it? Where? Wheeeeeeere?! :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-09-11/0736:58>
As far as I know, the LE is for cons only...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Starglyte on <08-09-11/0943:15>
As far as I know, the LE is for cons only...

Booooo!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-09-11/0946:39>
Double-Boo!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-09-11/1033:51>
Well, if there's enough left, I'm sure they'd be willing to part with it. But the very definition of Limited Edition is limited print run. And they were VERY popular. ;D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-09-11/1114:29>
Why, oh why could I have not been able to go this year?   :'(
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-09-11/1152:39>
I got lucky and was able to have a friend pick me up a copy...should get it later today!  ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-10-11/0857:56>
Got my copy yesterday...really, really nice.  Special Thanks to Pete Andrew for taking the time to sign it ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-10-11/1224:15>
OK folks, what I want to know is what new shinies are in the book?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-10-11/1257:37>
Haven't gone through and compared them. I'll do so sometime this week and let you know (unless I'm ninja'd by some higher ups that actually know).
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-10-11/1303:25>
Thanks.  Wondering if my FLGS/Army Surplus store is going to get another special order out of me or not...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-10-11/1429:14>
Other than looking awesome in full color print, haven't had the chance to review for changes.  Did I mention that it looks AWESOME in color print...  ;)

AJC
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-10-11/2029:43>
Okay, here's the update:

I'm pretty sure it's been errata'd from the original PDF.
Comments from classic Shadowtalker Nightfire's been added in to give his "expert" opinion on items.
9 weapons added to the Gun Haven Heaven section:
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Starglyte on <08-10-11/2136:58>
Is the non-Le in full color as well?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-10-11/2329:11>
Is the non-Le in full color as well?
I believe so. At least I remember it that way. But I'm old and the Con was very confusing. ;)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-11-11/0107:52>
Okay, here's the update:

I'm pretty sure it's been errata'd from the original PDF.
Comments from classic Shadowtalker Nightfire's been added in to give his "expert" opinion on items.
9 weapons added to the Gun Haven Heaven section:
  • TPP (light pistol)
  • Ultimax 70 (machine pistol)
  • AN-39 (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
  • Terracotta Arms DLW (sporting rifle)
  • M428 Grenade Launcher (grenade launcher)
  • Kriss X (submachine gun)
  • XM-629 OICW (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
  • Evington's Propelled Katana (think Tom Jane's Punisher's switchblade)
  • Izom Armaments RP-63A (machine pistol)
...

...

...

DAMNIT!!!

Now I have to buy another book.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Critias on <08-11-11/0114:31>
To quote Peter, "Buy seven!"
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-11-11/0122:15>
Don't have that kind of budget.

Or even a group to buy them for.

Hell, don't even have a group any more.   :'(
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-11-11/0441:05>
DAMNIT!!!

Now I have to buy another book.

Or find someone who buys one LE for you at the next con (and one for me too). :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <08-11-11/0748:06>
To quote Peter, "Buy seven!"
That reminds me, I told Peter on Sunday that he'd been doing the autographs all wrong. He should have only put one word in each book he'd been asked to autograph. If they wanted more, they'd have to buy another book and he'd continue. ;)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-11-11/0751:04>
I really appreciated the comments Peter added - the only down side is that he didn't have a "silver" pen so that they are easily read on the black background...  ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-11-11/0949:57>
Or find someone who buys one LE for you at the next con (and one for me too). :D
I had to know if it was worth buying first.

Probably too late now, the LE having sold well probably means there's not many, if any, left.

*Sighs*  To my FLGS/Army Surplus Store.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-11-11/1107:55>
*Sighs*  To my FLGS/Army Surplus Store.

Bring along one for me too!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Charybdis on <08-11-11/2026:21>
*Sighs*  To my FLGS/Army Surplus Store.

Bring along one for me too!
If FLGS/Surplus stores are for sale...I'll take 2....
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-11-11/2033:25>
Nope, mine!

Visit Winnipeg and check it out, however!  ;D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Grinder on <08-12-11/0509:33>
First copy is yours, second mine, third Charybdis'. See how easy it is? :D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <08-12-11/0653:20>
I dont think this book will find the way across the atlantic :(
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-12-11/1021:37>
I dont think this book will find the way across the atlantic :(
PDFs know no country boundaries!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: AJCarrington on <08-12-11/1052:47>

The compilation will not be made available in a PDF. The new stuff will be print only. Existing PDFs should be updated with corrections made for the compilation.

Jason H.

Hopefully this can be done in short order.   ;D

AJC
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <08-13-11/0440:38>
I dont think this book will find the way across the atlantic :(
PDFs know no country boundaries!

Im afraid that Ive heard that this is HardCopy only product...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-13-11/1227:25>
I dont think this book will find the way across the atlantic :(
PDFs know no country boundaries!
Im afraid that Ive heard that this is HardCopy only product...
It is.  I'm pointing out one of the advantages of PDFs over DTF.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <08-13-11/1238:00>
DTF (I run this abbreviation throught google but results are not what I expected :D )

PDFs i have all from 4ed, IMO...
Nad yesterday even a notice came from customs office that my Runner toolkit arrived to Czech rep (preorder made 20110228  :o )
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-13-11/1254:50>
Hey, mine came in Thursday.  :P
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <08-13-11/1434:08>
DTF (I run this abbreviation throught google but results are not what I expected :D )
In this context, DTF == Dead Tree Format...that is to say, hardcopy.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <08-13-11/1438:51>
 ;D
now this makes sense...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-13-11/1645:44>
*Looms and give a maniacal look*  I like my books written on the dead bodies of many, many trees!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Juno on <08-30-11/1142:44>
Could we please have a new version of Riggers Black Book.  Rigging and vehicles don't get enough air time... so far, and even none riggers love to trick out their vehicles.  Love to see some more vehicles, vehicle art etc.

Thanks

Bryce

For those of use who've never known anything but SR4 [or even SR4A at that], what sort of stuff was in the Riggers' Black Book that isn't covered in Arsenal, Augmentation & Unwired (& maybe MilSpecTech, Deadly Waves & Unfriendly Skies)?

Was it rigger anecodes, pitfalls to avoid when playing, kind of strategic fluff? (I would welcome more scale references for vehicles; considering some are big enough to stage an entire run upon / it'd be good to know the lengths of runway for emergency landing, depths below waterline for sabotage etc.)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: hobgoblin on <08-30-11/1303:15>
Forgetting War now are we?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-30-11/1528:23>
Forgetting War now are we?
Possibly for good reasons?

...

Alright, alright, I'll read it again the next time I'm able to read.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: hobgoblin on <08-30-11/1551:27>
Let me just say that this War meme is getting long in the tooth.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <08-30-11/1558:18>
Forgetting War now are we?
Possibly for good reasons?

...

Alright, alright, I'll read it again the next time I'm able to read.

Sad but true :(
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <08-30-11/1621:55>
Let me just say that this War meme is getting long in the tooth.
Well, if it wasn't so easy a target...

And, in War!, when you're an easy target, you're DEAD!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <09-16-11/0028:38>
e actually have a Black Book in the works. It will combine some already published PDFs--This Old Drone and MilSpecTech--along with Unfriendly Skies, which will have aircraft, Deadly Waves, which will have watercraft, and Gun Haven, which will have, well, guns. Some new material will be acquired in the book as well. So it's not quite the same as previous Black Books, but it will be gear and tech-riffic.

Jason H.
And it's at some FLGS'!
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: DWC on <09-17-11/1243:04>
Any more word on whether the PDFs it is based on will be updated to include the new material?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <09-17-11/1253:30>
Id rather than list of tech and vehicled see list of modifications and upgrades...I remember Janes rigger regitry on 2nd edition...works really good when you have been trying to BUILD your vehicle by your own design...
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: KarmaInferno on <09-21-11/2203:02>
Any more word on whether the PDFs it is based on will be updated to include the new material?
I though a specific selling point of the compilation was that it contains material that will NOT be available in the individual PDFs?



-k
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: JM_Hardy on <09-22-11/1255:26>
Any more word on whether the PDFs it is based on will be updated to include the new material?

The PDFs should be updated with errata and the like, but not the new gear.

Jason H.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <09-22-11/1500:11>
*Sighs*  Well, I already am getting it due to an order mistake at my FLGS/Army Surplus Store.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Mäx on <09-22-11/1507:29>
Can someone list whats new in the non-Gun heaven part ;D
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Mason on <09-22-11/1524:58>
I happen to own copy 109 of 1500 of the limited Edition sourcebook. so, having never been to a con, i can tell you that they are not only for cons. I purchased mine from the Game Matrix. Good store. Ran me 65$, and the glittery word Shadowrun is already coming off of the cover. It appears to have been written in literal glitter. SHINY.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: FastJack on <09-22-11/1551:18>
Can someone list whats new in the non-Gun heaven part ;D
This is the only things that are new besides comments/errata.
Okay, here's the update:

I'm pretty sure it's been errata'd from the original PDF.
Comments from classic Shadowtalker Nightfire's been added in to give his "expert" opinion on items.
9 weapons added to the Gun Haven Heaven section:
  • TPP (light pistol)
  • Ultimax 70 (machine pistol)
  • AN-39 (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
  • Terracotta Arms DLW (sporting rifle)
  • M428 Grenade Launcher (grenade launcher)
  • Kriss X (submachine gun)
  • XM-629 OICW (assault rifle/grenade launcher)
  • Evington's Propelled Katana (think Tom Jane's Punisher's switchblade)
  • Izom Armaments RP-63A (machine pistol)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Mäx on <09-22-11/1707:07>
Can someone list whats new in the non-Gun heaven part ;D
This is the only things that are new besides comments/errata.
Okey that makes a sad pony.
I thought that the other "books" got additions too and not just Gun Heaven
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <09-22-11/2022:05>
The "Tom Jane's Punisher's Switchblade" is called a "Ballistic Knife" and was developed for the Spetsnaz (IIRC), and has been popular with the comic book character for some time now.  I think it might be the only kind of knife he carries any longer.  (Being the only "Respectable" knife you can bring to a gunfight.).
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <09-23-11/0341:03>
In fact, this knife was developed in Czech, and Spetznaz possibly never heard of it, because guy vho invented it iscontracted by US government. He holds patent for the weapon also. In addition to this and arms dealing, he is very capable weapon forger, his katanas are considered to be one of best in Central Europe. He also makes european blades...forged my training sword for example :) good to have him around here
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: KarmaInferno on <09-23-11/0415:38>
The Ballistic Knife, whatever it's true origins, is currently highly illegal in the USA.

Strangely enough, while propelling a knife using a spring is illegal, propelling it with a gunpowder charge is apparently perfectly fine and just needs AOW licensing.



-k
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <09-23-11/0424:50>
IMO the same here in czech. There was also an accident on some weapons exposition, where inventor demonstrated how the knife worked and one of visitors tried it on his own, killed one of bypassers accidentaly. Problems around this accident lead inventor to go lowprofile and stay lowprofile to this days.
He continues his work BTW, working both on firearms and cold weapons, and he is damn good. Friend of mine says, that it is because he is really paranoid...extremely...and this keeps him in creating practical and effective countermeasures...against some invisible enemy? :)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <09-23-11/0915:00>
It's not paranoia when they're really out to get you.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Sichr on <09-23-11/1051:46>
Yep...BEING PARANOID DOESNT MEAN THEY ARENT AFTER YOU :)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-12-11/1152:58>
I miss being able to design a vehicle or weapon completely from the ground up. I wish the company would bring those rules back.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: hobgoblin on <11-12-11/1200:51>
And see a increase in "CGL can't design rules for shit, i can make a supersonic bread van with this!"? Nah, not likely.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: Patrick Goodman on <11-12-11/1205:53>
They get that anyway, so it doesn't automatically rule it out.

Sadly, we don't have our resident engineer on freelance staff anymore, and I'm not sure any of the guys we have currently are as big into riggers as Jon is/was....
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: hobgoblin on <11-12-11/1351:44>
True true. And most of it boils down to the inherent issues of a linearly scaling system, where as older editions often employed "diminishing returns".
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: DarkLloyd on <11-18-11/1748:45>
I'm a BIG "Plus One" to the weapons/vehicle construction rules please. 
That would go a Looooong way towards makeing up to us riggers for turning us into deckers with RC toys.
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <11-18-11/1755:59>
The major problem is making the math match up with the current items.  Of course, it could just make everyone more expensive, and say, "Well, those are production models using bulk build/bought equipment and slave labor, while yours is custom made by hand at one-off component costs..."

Actually...  Hmmmmmmmmm...  Damn, somedays I wish I could just get some of my old crew and new crew together.  I'm sure we could Kludge something together that could be edited into something nice...  'Course, I'd have to be a writer that has more than just some FanWankFiction of a dA site for that, wouldn't I?
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-18-11/2037:49>
I'm a BIG "Plus One" to the weapons/vehicle construction rules please. 
That would go a Looooong way towards makeing up to us riggers for turning us into deckers with RC toys.

Put me in for a big "Plus One" about fifty times over for those rules. Then again, I just love making vehicles with rules for them even if I don't ever get to use the vehicle. It's FUN FUN FUN to me.  8)
Title: Re: Riggers Black Book
Post by: CanRay on <11-18-11/2112:32>
Sadly, we don't have our resident engineer on freelance staff anymore, and I'm not sure any of the guys we have currently are as big into riggers as Jon is/was....
I know a few Rednecks I can refer the Freelancers to.  They know 'bout fixing things on the cheap and building things out of scrap metal as long as you use enough metal for welding, wood and nails,  and duct tape.