[Namikaze]

That is a fantastic starting point, thank you! 

[iamfanboy]

Okay, here's the one for Burning Angel.

7313 Dark Angel

NAME: Homatsu Jinjiro
TYPE: senior Oyabun of the Sword Water clan
DESCRIPTION: One of the old men of the Seattle yakuza, Jinjiro is extremely old-fashioned but very powerful. He wields his power from behind closed doors, and is said to have a distaste for the new generation of gangsters.

NAME: Shiro Usaka
TYPE: junior Oyabun of the Sword Water clan
DESCRIPTION: A young man to be an oyabun, Usaka is ambitious but incautious - and has a taste for drugs, food, and women that borders on the gluttonous. Still, he has built up an excellent information network and should not be underestimated.

NAME: Kat Akmura
TYPE: junior Oyabun of Sword Water clan
DESCRIPTION: A woman who rose up to oyabun meteorically - too quickly for many yakuza's tastes. She is a vicious woman who will eventually avenge even the smallest slight.

NAME: Oni-Do
TYPE: Magical group/assassins for hire, exclusive to yakuza
DESCRIPTION: A gathering of Japanese magicians and adepts who share another bond: all of them are orks and trolls, outcasts in the eyes of Japanese culture.

NAME:Dynamo Blue
TYPE:Xanadu Studios (small music studio) operator
DESCRIPTION:Gives young and radical bands a start, a tough but fair lady who has done shadow work and tries not to mind that the yakuza siphons 80% of her profit.

NAME: Icelady
TYPE: Talismonger/Fixer
DESCRIPTION: A smalltime talismonger who does most of her biz in the clubs, giving her connections to the magical side of the music community. Dossing with Dark Angel.

NAME: Dark Angel
TYPE: Rocker
DESCRIPTION: Pretty even for an elfboy, this rocker sings and both the Awakened and mundanes listen - he's an adept of some kind, but only towards music. Disappears after releasing a mystic rock album called Journey of the Earthdawn.

...I have a question, however. There are three  characters omitted from this list:  Dark Angel's brother, a ninja, and a mage who works with the aforementioned Oni-Do. They're just generic bad guys which are given names and in one case a motivation. Should I keep them on the list anyway (and try to make this thing comprehensive), or should I keep it to the ones which might be useful to a GM outside the given adventure?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

I honestly wouldn't list them here; create pages and list them on the site when Namikaze gets it up.  To answer your question, though, if they're part of a group with no extra motivation, then when you list the group, you might list 'known members'.  If they're independent and they have a motivation, listing them wouldn't be a bad thing; they ARE 'named NPCs', so to speak, so they should be out there.

[Namikaze]

Yeah, once I get the site up and running, we'll allow people to make some edits and such to the Wiki.  In the meantime, if you would please make them into a document (any format will work) and either hold onto it or attach it to a PM, that would be fantastic!

[iamfanboy]

I honestly wouldn't list them here; create pages and list them on the site when Namikaze gets it up.  To answer your question, though, if they're part of a group with no extra motivation, then when you list the group, you might list 'known members'.  If they're independent and they have a motivation, listing them wouldn't be a bad thing; they ARE 'named NPCs', so to speak, so they should be out there.

Even if, in the course of an adventure, the PCs off them? For example, in the Harlequin adventure the players are supposed to frag the senior members of the APN and collect their fake eartips; perhaps just listing their names would be enough... hrm. Requires a second pass through the books I've already done, though.

Work work work, that's the life of a geek... at least I'm finding a few new contacts to use.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

What happens in your game doesn't generally impact what happens in the game world.  This isn't a MyGameWorld resource; this is a resource for everyone's game world.  If you say that Hanzo Shotozumi got whacked and Miko Ishikawa is now running the Shotozumi-rengo, then that's fine - for your world.  In this thing, though, we're talking about what the general world is supposed to be.

On the other hand, if in the course of an adventure the PCs are specifically hired to do something, then it's presumed in SR canon that what they did was what they were hired to do.  Knight Errant got wind of bug spirits during the 'Queen Euphoria' adventure; that's part of the world's background history.  Adventures are essentially (sometimes regrettably) canonical, but it's presumed that the results of those adventures are success on the part of the characters.  In Harlequin, they whack the top level of the APN.  In Imago, they turn the chips over to Transys Neuronet.  In Mercurial, both Maria and her beau survive.  All those are part of the mainline assumption, and this resource is based off those mainline assumptions - which is why canonical characters, especially those that are in current (4e/5e) canon, take precedence.

[iamfanboy]

Well, yes. Part of the thing is that I built my original list with an eye towards NPCs that I can use in my games or organizations that I can use both before and after they come up (actually had the APN pursuing the players in one campaign for a while!), and I keep finding myself discounting NPCs that don't fit that purpose even now. For example, that Harlequin list is completely missing Jane Foster! Kind of important to the whole climax of the campaign, ne?

The questions I am asking are this:

Should I include every canonical NPC mentioned in an adventure in the list, or just those that are important enough to make it into the Cast of Shadows 1e/2e adventures had?

If there are potentially useful NPCs (like Harriet from Harlequin: Hates, who runs the Public Works Archive and might be handy for finding building plans), should I include those based on the idea that GMs and/or players may find them useful?

Policlubs and gangs mentioned also make sense to include in the list, as they are a distinct part of the world's background, but every minor named NPC that doesn't last more than an encounter or two, like Junior from Dreamchipper (whom the players meet twice, once to be annoyed by, and once to kill), seems like overkill for the list to me.

However, as I'm doing this for more than just myself, I think I should ask y'all how far I should go.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Do what you like.  If you're feeling ambitious, add the 'honorable mentions' as well; I know I want more contacts and names than just the fixers, smugglers, armorers, and mechanics.

[Michael Chandra]

Note to self: Remember to steal, ahem, borrow the named NPCs from SR5 Missions (and convince someone to run through Season 3).

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

To run, or run you through?  'cause I gotta say, I've been dying to take an elite runner (yes, Hawatari) through a lot of these Missions solo ...

[Michael Chandra]

I mean npc-wise. ^_^ I'm not familiar with Manhattan and don't know a thing about how relevant the NPCs in season 3 are. I already manually updated some of season 4's contacts to add the info from Season 4 to them for my own campaign (nearly every player has Bull as contact).

[Sichr]

Since the objective is not to create a one-stop place for GMs to find all the tools they'll ever need, I think we'll stick with the Google Maps options most likely.  Plus, they integrate into MediaWiki very easily.  I'm hoping to get a chance in the next day or two to install MediaWiki on Michael's website and begin the administrative processes for it.

Would it be possible to dissect Seattle 2072 somehow to get the compact list of all locations listed in the book, with the ardess a and description? I think it would be possible to work with PDF this way, well I am not a specialist in this field.

[Namikaze]

I think that would be fantastic actually, and it's definitely the plan down the road.  I want the wiki to contain the locations, organizations, and NPCs that are found in Seattle.  I'd like to include the old and the new, making a fan-based comprehensive history of Seattle.  But I also want to add fan-made material as well, to flesh out Seattle even more.

[8-bit]

I could try starting in on Seattle 2072 to get information dissected. I have never GM'ed a Shadowrun game before, so any NPCs would probably just be barebones descriptions.

Any descriptions I find/come up with would probably be posted here if you don't mind. Unless you want me to post them somewhere else.

[iamfanboy]

Depends on the pdf; if it has text over an image background you could just cut and paste the text into a new file. If not, then you would have to hand type them into the text file.

Might be interesting to go through that for the original Seattle Sourcebook, and the New Seattle Sourcebook, and harvest it for data to get a over-time snapshot of the game...

But no, back to data mining adventures for NPCs!