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KarmaInferno

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« Reply #15 on: <12-10-10/0129:44> »
If you are likely to glitch again, say perhaps in roll with a very small dice pool, you might choose to just negate the glitch instead of risking a re-roll.




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« Reply #16 on: <12-10-10/0358:05> »
I'd make a houserule - you can reroll a Glitch, but it still applies to the re-rolled result, even it that's all '6'. And Critical Glitches can only be downgraded. Off course, you can re-roll a critical glitch that has been downgraded...
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« Reply #17 on: <12-10-10/0400:17> »
This doesn't make any sense. Either you fail realy horribly, or you don't.

When you add Edge to a critical glitch, it isn't necessarily a horrible failure anymore. If you convert it to a normal glitch, then it's merely an inconvenient or weird failure. If you get extra hits from Edge, then it's a horrible success, a Pyrrhic victory.

You said in your groups its ruled that even with hits from use of edge a critical glitch stays a critical glitch.

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[...]but it's still a critical glitch.

The very definition of a critical glitch is no success in the action taken at all.
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« Reply #18 on: <12-11-10/1532:23> »
You said in your groups its ruled that even with hits from use of edge a critical glitch stays a critical glitch .... The very definition of a critical glitch is no success in the action taken at all.

Rolling no successes is the cause of a critical glitch, but it's not one of the defined results of the glitch. The defined result of a critical glitch is simply a catastrophic mistake, fumble, accident, etc. That can still happen even if you are ultimately successful in your action.

It's a subtle point but an important one; don't mix up cause and effect.

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« Reply #19 on: <12-13-10/2156:27> »
Example of a critical glitch that still succeeds:

You are trying to save your mother from the razorboy sent to assassinate her.  You attempt to shoot them in the head, but roll a critical glitch.  Upon spending edge, you succeed in the roll.

Because you succeeded, you shoot the razorboy in the head.
Because it was a critical glitch, the bullet went through your mother's head first.

A drastic example, and your GM is a dick, but it can happen.



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« Reply #20 on: <12-13-10/2245:46> »
Gotta agree with Bradd here.
If you roll a critical glitch, then you have critically glitched.  It is now a fact.
Edge is considered after this fact, and interacts with glitches in a defined fashion.

Dudes don't really crit-glitch much of ever, though.

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« Reply #21 on: <12-13-10/2300:34> »
Good example, Raiki. And it doesn't happen much with us either, although this exactly thing came up recently. The player eventually decided to just suck up the critical glitch (no Edge spent at all), partly because you refresh a point of spent Edge when you crit glitch. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: <12-13-10/2332:26> »
Yeah, since you have to spend a point of Edge to negate the effects of a Critical Glitch, I'm with the others that you can't re-roll to AND have the Critical Glitch disappear.