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General Discussion / Re: Emerald City & Lone Star’s New Security Ratings

« Last post by Maded on <05-22-22/0629:06> »

From the words of JM Hardy on Facebook:

Platinum - AAA
Gold - AA
Silver - A
Bronze - B
Copper - C
Blue - D
White - E
Unlisted - Z

Thanks! I’m on the FB page and must have missed that.

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General Discussion / Re: Emerald City & Lone Star’s New Security Ratings

« Last post by MercilessMing on <05-21-22/1514:08> »

Yeah, I was a bit harsh, but obvs they should have listed the equivalent next to it.

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Gamemasters' Lounge / Re: [6E] How to make the combat fun?

« Last post by Michael Chandra on <05-21-22/1439:25> »

Not publicly at this point because it includes spoilers for CMP2081-09/10/11/12. o,o

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Rules and such / Re: [SR6] Firing Squad - comfusion related to small unit tactics

« Last post by Xenon on <05-21-22/1118:06> »

1. Diamond Formation is being enact before combat. Would the characters need to maintain the Diamond shape stand for the buff to be active?

The effect of moving in Diamond Formation seem to be that they get a bonus on perception tests against ambush attempts and a +2 initiative score when combat starts. Once members are not actually moving in Diamond Formation it seem as if they will no longer gain the benefit of the Diamond Formation maneuver.

For example, if the squad arrive at a door where they think there might be baddies inside they will perhaps stop moving in Diamond Formation maneuver and instead the Squad Leader might instruct his squad to stack up and get read to execute a Dynamic Entry maneuver.

Once the room is cleared (with bonuses from the Dynamic Entry maneuver) the squad leader might instruct them to again line up in a Diamond Formation to be better prepped in case of an ambush while moving further into the facility.

If the squad later gain high ground on a group of baddies that haven't noticed them yet the Squad Leader might instruct the squad to again break up the Diamond Formation and instead set up an ambush by instructing squad members into Crossfire positions before all of them open fire at the same time.

2. If I enact Shield Walk, would I need to have someone with sheild to stand in the front? Or someone with shield is good enough?

If one person have a shield then it seem as if that person will gain a DR advantage (even without SUT).

But say he got SUT knowledge then it seem as if he can spend a major action to instruct a squad member (that will spend a major action to listen to the instructions) to move in unison. As long as they are now both moving together in a Shield Walk it seem as if they will now both take advantage of the extra DR from that one single shield (that normally, without this SUT maneuver, would only benefit the guy carrying the shield).

What happen if I got flank?

If enemies are successfully executing a Flank maneuver against the Shield Walking pair then it seem as if all participants in the Flank maneuver receives +2 to their AR (or +3 if the flank was undetected) while the flanked Shield Walking pair would get their DR reduced by 2.

Would I still have the buff from Shield Walk?

As long as you can take advantage of a shield you will typically receive extra DR from the shield. In some situations a GM might rule that you are not getting a DR bonus from having a shield. Flanking might or might not be such a situation (there is no rule stating such, it depend on the situation and GM fiat).

4. If I enact Suppressive Fire, would I need to have a character keep spraying bullets each turn?

The Suppressive Fire maneuver does not provide it's bonus once you decide to no longer provide Suppressive Fire.

If they do need to spraying bullets each turn, would that required major/minor action and ammo to do so?

A regular Major Attack Action with a weapon that is set to Full Auto Firing Mode (which seem to consume 10 rounds).

Or a random BF attack would count?

This SUT maneuver seem to require that participants are wielding weapons set to full auto firing mode (not burst firing mode).

What happen if they run out of bullet or stop firing?

The Suppressive Fire maneuver does not provide it's bonus once you decide to no longer provide Suppressive Fire. This is why Suppressive Fire is typically best provided with belt-fed MGs.

when would they spend the major/minor action? in their own initiative? Or by the time the leader roll combat maneuver? Or else?

It seem as if all members that also wish to participate in the same Suppressive Fire maneuver (if more than one) need to save up a Major Action. The combat maneuver then seem to be "performed on the lowest initiative score of the participants".

But if you have the SUT knowledge skill and just want to provide Suppressive Fire yourself (because you are perhaps also the only guy in the squad with a LMG) then it seem as if you just spend a minor action to activate Suppressive Fire maneuver (because if all team members participating in an SUT maneuver have the Small Unit Tactics knowledge skill, combat maneuvers are treated as minor actions) and then you take the maneuver test. Number of hits on the test seem to indicate number of suppressed targets that will have their DR reduced by half the base DV of your LMG (and AR by half of that). If you get 4 or more hits it also seem as if you gain a situational Edge due to that.

Then you spend regular Full Auto Major Attack Action(s) to actually attack.

teammate without FA weapons, can them be a part?

It seem as if a firearm with full auto firing mode is required if you want to provide Suppressive Fire.

How should I calculate the buff? Who's weapon is "the weapon"?

If you are wielding the LMG and is providing Suppressive Fire then the debuff your suppressed targets receive seem to be calculated from the base DV of your LMG.

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Rules and such / Re: [SR6] Firing Squad - comfusion related to small unit tactics

« Last post by marfish on <05-21-22/1010:41> »

1. Does everyone need to spend an action in order to enact a combat maneuver? (or just the team leader were required to do so?)

It seem as if all members that want to be part of the combat maneuver also need to spend a minor action (if they already have the SUT knowledge skill) or a Major action (if they don't) in order to initiate it.

2. Is it all the move and attack in the discription of the combat maneuver was "narrative fluff", and all they do was roll dice and get the buff? (If so, that was kind of disappointing :/)

Perhaps easier if you let us know which specific maneuver you are thinking about.

the 1sr question is clear now, thanks For the second question though, I do have some scenarios in mind.

1. Diamond Formation is being enact before combat. Would the characters need to maintain the Diamond shape stand for the buff to be active?

2. If I enact Shield Walk, would I need to have someone with sheild to stand in the front? Or someone with shield is good enough? What happen if I got flank? Would I still have the buff from Shield Walk?

4. If I enact Suppressive Fire, would I need to have a character keep spraying bullets each turn? If they do need to spraying bullets each turn, would that required major/minor action and ammo to do so? Or a random BF attack would count? What happen if they run out of bullet or stop firing?

Let's use Suppressive Fire as example then. In Suppressive Fire, it stats that

Firing Squad]
Notes/Benefits: To perform this maneuver, the attackers must have full-auto-capable firearms and sufficient ammunition...Each target reduces their DR by the base Damage Value of the weapon...)

So, assuming it is the 1st round of the combat, Team member 1st would be the first the act, then enermy 1st, Leader, enermy 2nd, Team member 2nd, enermy 3rd, Team member 3rd. The Leader is about to enact the Suppressive Fire in his initiative.

My further question would be,
1. when would they spend the major/minor action? in their own initiative? Or by the time the leader roll combat maneuver? Or else?

2. "if all members that wish to take part of the same suppressive fire (that wish to gain from the bonus) will either spend a minor action" If so, for those teammate without FA weapons, can them be a part? How should I calculate the buff? Who's weapon is "the weapon"?

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Rules and such / Re: [SR6] Firing Squad - comfusion related to small unit tactics

« Last post by Xenon on <05-21-22/0747:58> »

It seem as if many maneuvers are evaluated (prepped) *before* initiative is rolled to begin with (which mean it doesn't really matter if it cost a minor or a major action).

For maneuvers that are not evaluated outside of combat it seem to depend on if ALL members have the SUT knowledge skill (in which case most combat maneuvers seem to be initiated as Minor actions as all participants know what to do and when with just minimal communication)

Or if only the squad leader have it (in which case most combat maneuvers seem to be initiated as Major actions as the squad leader is instructing members that does not have SUT themselves and members that does not have SUT themselves also spend a Major action each to listen at the instructions).

The test itself seem to be resolved as a Influence + Logic test. If multiple squad members also have the SUT knowledge skill they can assist the leader via regular Team Work rules (rolling Influence + Logic on their own and each hit will act as a positive dice pool modifier to the leader's test).

Most maneuvers seem to last for quite some time after all members of the squad paid the initial minor or major action to initiate it (without costing additional actions). Instead the maneuver seem to give various bonuses to specific regular actions you take while the maneuver is active.

1. Does everyone need to spend an action in order to enact a combat maneuver? (or just the team leader were required to do so?)

It seem as if all members that want to be part of the combat maneuver also need to spend a minor action (if they already have the SUT knowledge skill) or a Major action (if they don't) in order to initiate it.

But in many situations the maneuver is initiated (prepped) outside of combat initiative.

For example if the team initiates Diamond Formation it might cost all members one major action or it might cost all members just a minor action. Then the squad move in Diamond Formation through the vicinity. Since the maneuver was prepped before combat started it doesn't really matter if it cost a minor or major action. Then, a few minutes later, when they walk into an ambush (still moving in Diamond Formation) all members of the squad get a reduced threshold to spot the ambush and all members of the squad also gain +2 initiative score. The Diamond Formation was already prepped several minutes earlier. There is no minor or major cost to be paid during the ambush. The maneuver is already initiated.

2. Is it all the move and attack in the discription of the combat maneuver was "narrative fluff", and all they do was roll dice and get the buff? (If so, that was kind of disappointing :/)

Perhaps easier if you let us know which specific maneuver you are thinking about.

The Leader is about to enact the Dynamic Entry in his  initiative. When to spend the action(s)? And when would be the buff kicks in?

Dynamic Entry (like many other maneuvers) is initiated (prepped) outside of combat. In this case before the actual breach is happening. Participants spend their minor or major action to "stack up" out of combat.  Before you roll for initiative. Once the squad enters the room all participants (both friend and foe) roll for initiative and when members of the squad that are part of the Dynamic Entry maneuver spend their regular Major Attack Action(s) they simply gain an AR bonus due to the already active SUT maneuver.

4. for the Suppressive Fire, I just need to have one person to enact the maneuver, and I would get the full benefit?

No, it seem as if all members that wish to take part of the same suppressive fire (that wish to gain from the bonus) will either spend a minor action (if they all have SUT knowledge skill they will all just initiate suppressive fire right before they spend their regular major full auto attack action(s) to attack targets within the area of effect) or a major action (if they don't have SUT knowledge skill the leader and participants will perhaps hunker down and spend a major action listening to the leaders instructions before they, perhaps in the next round, spend their regular major full auto attack action(s) to actually attack targets within the area of effect). It seem as if once the suppressive fire maneuver is initiated you can spend multiple major full auto attack actions and still benefit from the suppressive fire bonus.

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Rules and such / [SR6] Firing Squad - comfusion related to small unit tactics

« Last post by marfish on <05-21-22/0539:25> »

https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=31887.0
I have read this, but I am still comfuse...
1. Does everyone need to spend an action in order to enact a combat maneuver? (or just the team leader were required to do so?)
2. Is it all the move and attack in the discription of the combat maneuver was "narrative fluff", and all they do was roll dice and get the buff? (If so, that was kind of disappointing :/)
3. "A combat maneuver is performed on the lowest initiative score of the participants." So, assuming it is the 1st round of the combat, Team member 1st would be the first the act, then enermy 1st, Leader, enermy 2nd, Team member 2nd, enermy 3rd, Team member 3rd. The Leader is about to enact the Dynamic Entry in his  initiative. When to spend the action(s)? And when would be the buff kicks in?
4. for the Suppressive Fire, I just need to have one person to enact the maneuver, and I would get the full benefit?

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Gamemasters' Lounge / Re: [6E] How to make the combat fun?

« Last post by marfish on <05-21-22/0007:14> »

Using Edge to reroll your players' hits, like SSDR said, is important to remember to do. 

Changing your NPC dice pools is another thing you can do.  I often stat my NPCs in a player-relative way.  How many dice are your players rolling, typically?  Starting Shadowrunners are often rolling 10-14.  I like to say 12 is the magic dice pool number for a threat that's on-par with the players.  For me this is like, the boss's lieutenants, or HTR, or elite corp security, or Force 6 spirits.  If they're good but not as good as the runners, I will roll two less.  Runners have the advantage, but a 10 dice pool npc will probably get a couple licks in too.  For me this is like, Yakuza/mafia/triad fighters, cops and security forces, gang leaders.  If they're not a big threat but we're still going to roll and maybe they'll get lucky, that's an 8 dice pool for me.  Rent-a-cops, gang members, goons.  Dice pool 6 opponents may as well not roll, that's like an angry civilian, your cousin who's been in a few fights, the shopkeeper swinging his bat.  I roll that just to hear the dice clatter and narrate what happens.
Another thing you can do is make more attacks.  If you roll enough, some of those will hit.  See the earlier reply about increasing the number of enemies.  Say your team's combat specialist can eliminate 2 targets per turn.  Build that buffer into your attack plan.  Use your social guile to taunt the combat specialist into attacking the target you want.  Maybe there's a ganger in the front who's just itching to fight, he's always looks right at your combat specialist, cracking his knuckles or laughing at him.  Stuff like that can goad your combat guy (who will go first and wipe the floor with this nobody) into attacking your disposable pawn while the guy in the back with cover takes aim and fires ak-97 bursts into your players.  They might miss, but you lengthened his life and he could get another chance.
Another thing you can do is use offensive and defensive moves to your advantage, like your players do.  Flank them for Edge. Take Aim for extra dice.  Use Dodge, use Full Defense.

multi hit √ (I get 3232, but my player get 4376; 8dp would never hit them)
12dp √ (8dp would never hit them, and that's why I feel stuck, a 12dp basically means agility 6 and skill 6, they should be some sort of expert instead of regular glunt, but without the numbers of them, a few 12dp elites with regular weapon is not going to be a challenge for them; If I use combat drug, the player would mow them down in the frist round)
Flank them for Edge √ (but it just felt too slow or insiginificant, if I use them right away, they only add 2dp or 1 success; if I save them, my glunt in that good attack position would be mow down)
I believe I try most of them, they are ok :/ but non of them feels impactful.

I've been writing up a lot of different approaches of weaker grunts to combat, using varying force multipliers and on occasion wave combat. The quick summary is simply 'don't just make it straight-up firing, use terrain and tricks'. This could be just cover (and combat drugs), an ambush with good sneaky surprises, or hard use of terrain such as causing a building to collapse. Lots of options if you make the enemies use Cover, groups, and cheaty tricks.

Mind sharing?

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General Discussion / Re: Sprawl Gangers???

« Last post by DeathStrobe on <05-20-22/2213:30> »

They did actually release the SR miniatures for Sprawl Gangers on the GCL store.

I ordered a set, and am a bit sad that Sledge's sword is bent. But it's still pretty cool. I think there was also suppose to be a female Holloweener with a gun or molotov or something. But not included with this set.

I also believe the rules were released online since the project has been abandoned by CGL. But I never saw a link, only remember people talking about it.

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General Discussion / Re: Emerald City & Lone Star’s New Security Ratings

« Last post by DeathStrobe on <05-20-22/2205:26> »

Aside from guesswork based upon reading through Emerald City and Sixth World Companion, I must have missed any direct translation of the older Zone Ratings to the new Lone Star security ratings. Can anyone pop those up here? Thanks!

You didn't miss anything!  The CRB doesn't talk about Security Zones in a corporate-specific way.  It was boneheaded to change them for flavor in Emerald City. 
It's bad design to rename game mechanics for in-universe reasons.  Like if Ares weapons started calling their firing modes Justice, Double Tap, Stay Down, and Bullet Freedom and appeared in the Gear Section as J/DT/SD/BF.  What a mess.

But SR does do that sometimes. Like the techno-color Matrix security of the first few editions.