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5E, Data-Trails. The Black Trenchcoat Sleaze Special.

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« Reply #15 on: <06-11-15/2353:29> »
xclnt observation, i'm using the ganger equipment wrecker.

how would you build his 'link?

I like the idea of being able to send more low-end hackers at the players with the dongles.  A  ganger who has a R3 Attack Dongle on his Renraku Sensei doesn't need Sleaze if all he is meant to do is fuck with other people's wireless in a fight--  Something I could see gangs doing for an edge in a fight.

Allows for matrix "specialist" enemies for the group's hacker to fight come up more often, while both making sense economy-wise and not meaning that every enemy hacker is a four-month bonus from fencing their deck.

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« Reply #16 on: <06-12-15/0139:20> »
I could stat the grunt out.  I'd consider him a Professional Rating 1 Lieutenant, as it'd be an uncommon opponent that requires a lot of skill and nuyen compares to your average ganger.

B  A  R  S  W   L  I  C
3  3   3   3  4   5  4 3
Initiative: 6+1d6
CM 10
Armor 9
Skills: Blades 3, Computer (Matrix Perception) 3 (+2), Cybercombat (Devices) 3 (+2), Etiquette (Street) 3 (+2), Intimidation 4, Pistols 3
Qualities: Home Ground (Digital Turf)
Gear: Armor Vest [9]
Ares Light Fire 70 [Light Pistol, Acc 7, DV 6P, AP --, SA, RC --, 16 (c)]
Knife [Blade, Acc 5, Reach --, DV 4P,  AP -1]
Renraku Sensei commlink w/ R3 Attack Dongle (Device Rating 3)
1 dose of jazz or cram
1 dose of psyche

His role would be to just find guns and commlinks and brick them, not to go toe to toe with another hacker.  Still a ganger though, so he should be ready to shoot somebody up in a moment's notice, but the gun is a cheaper model than the usual one gangers have.  While his dice pool for Cybercombat is much higher than most dice pools for gangers, it's still significantly lower than what a PC will have and is necessary due to how the matrix works (dice pools just need to be higher to get the basic stuff done).

This is for the more small time gangs of course, where most members have a metalink and are incredibly poor.  More "middle class" gangs, like go-gangs and other ones where the members are better equipped would probably have a "sub-hacker" with up to R5 gear, probably.  I could see a go-gang having someone like this, both for fucking other people's vehicles and to be able to fight back it someone tries to take their bikes from them via the matrix.  At that level it'd probably have a modification, too.  Maybe like a hardwired Vectored Signal Filter for NR in addition to the amount from the data jacks they'd have.

Once it gets up to like, Professional Rating 3 though, it would probably make more sense for a full-on decker with one of the cheaper decks, like the Little Hornet.
« Last Edit: <06-12-15/0148:20> by firebug »
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« Reply #17 on: <06-12-15/0349:37> »
Now that I like. The higher-rank Dongles seem like a very niche item, because at that point you might as well get a full deck - but a cheap dongle seems like it'll work nicely and thematically.

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« Reply #18 on: <06-12-15/1225:01> »
Also if your commlink gets bricked you can just unplug the dongle plug it into your back up commlink and away you go only 5000 nuyen down, your bricked cyberdeck, no so much

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« Reply #19 on: <06-12-15/1244:50> »
You can't have attack rating, sleaze rating and run cyberprograms at the same time on a commlink. But you can hardwire one program carrier module into the commlink that will run one cyberprogram and then get either one attack- or sleaze dongle.

Care to explain why not please as I'm not seeing why you can't have all 3. Attack/Sleeze Dongle, add a matrix attribute parts modification for the other attribute then run a program as normal. Unless of course this comes back to the commlinks can't run programs?

Although on that topic, I'm restarting that topic with the new datatrails info the discussion here http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=21020.0. Please take any debate on that topic over there so we don't derail this one.

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« Reply #20 on: <06-12-15/1303:23> »
Because the rules on p. 66

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« Reply #21 on: <06-15-15/1724:40> »
You can't have attack rating, sleaze rating and run cyberprograms at the same time on a commlink. But you can hardwire one program carrier module into the commlink that will run one cyberprogram and then get either one attack- or sleaze dongle.

Care to explain why not please as I'm not seeing why you can't have all 3. Attack/Sleeze Dongle, add a matrix attribute parts modification for the other attribute then run a program as normal. Unless of course this comes back to the commlinks can't run programs?

Although on that topic, I'm restarting that topic with the new datatrails info the discussion here http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=21020.0. Please take any debate on that topic over there so we don't derail this one.

Only 1 Modification per Device unless specifically stated otherwise. You have you use that Modification slot for a Program Module with Virtual Machine to run Cyberprograms on a Commlink. You can't Add a Matrix Attribute too.

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« Reply #22 on: <06-15-15/2238:53> »
so you could have EvoTech Himitsu sleaze 5 and attack dongle 5  then a transys avalon all modded to accept cyberprogram module and have matrix attribute of 5s across the board and can run 4 programs

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« Reply #23 on: <06-15-15/2350:20> »
nice one firebug!

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« Reply #24 on: <06-16-15/0132:40> »
so you could have EvoTech Himitsu sleaze 5 and attack dongle 5  then a transys avalon all modded to accept cyberprogram module and have matrix attribute of 5s across the board and can run 4 programs

You can only have you Persona on One Device at a time.... so only the Device your Persona is running on is in use. Otherwise Deckers would all run their Cyberdecks through a Avalon or Caliban for the Firewall Attribute.

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« Reply #25 on: <06-16-15/0226:54> »
so you could have EvoTech Himitsu sleaze 5 and attack dongle 5  then a transys avalon all modded to accept cyberprogram module and have matrix attribute of 5s across the board and can run 4 programs

You can only have you Persona on One Device at a time.... so only the Device your Persona is running on is in use. Otherwise Deckers would all run their Cyberdecks through a Avalon or Caliban for the Firewall Attribute.
Cant you have an agent running overwatch on the commlink?

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« Reply #26 on: <06-16-15/0228:40> »
I was wondering that as well if your personas on the himitsu and it's slaved to a transys with an agent wouldn't you get that benefit? I normally play mages so I'm not sure how slaving works.

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« Reply #27 on: <06-16-15/0426:11> »
Your persona cannot be a slave. Your persona will use the matrix attributes of the device it is formed on.


If this wasn't the case then all spider personas would use host ratings when defending ;)

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« Reply #28 on: <06-16-15/0435:49> »
Your persona cannot be a slave. Your persona will use the matrix attributes of the device it is formed on.


If this wasn't the case then all spider personas would use host ratings when defending ;)
where does it even say that? arent spiders slaves to the hosts ok so wait if my friend is running a device rating 1 commlink he cant slave it to the deckers pan for protection? harsh

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« Reply #29 on: <06-16-15/0509:31> »
That persona icons cannot be slaves in a PAN or WAN is mentioned on several locations.
SR5 p. 216 pan, slave, wan...
SR5 p. 233 PANs and WANs
SR5 p. 251 Living Persona


Your commlink, cyberdeck or RCC is the master device in your PAN.

You are the matrix owner of devices in your personal area network.