[Michael Chandra]

I wouldn't let someone add a commlink to cybereyes myself. First off, their capacity is for vision stuff. Second, an iPhone wouldn't fit in eyeballs.

[Sendaz]

Don't you mean the I-ball?

[SMDVogrin]

Can you add a commlink (capacity 2) to cybereyes?

No.  Commlink is Headgear, and thus follows the rules on pg 451: "Items that have a Capacity Cost [in brackets] may be installed in cyberlimbs instead, costing Capacity rather than Essence."  Cybereyes are not a cyberlimb.

[Tagami]

Real world is already passed by that but if RAW you can't, you can't.
http://www.techhive.com/article/226539/medical_chip_brings_cyber_eyes_closer_to_reality.html


I am just happy that my GM (he is IT/ I am engineer) was happy to house rule it possible to add one. After all, cyber eyes are not only the eyeballs but an extensive electronic/ neural interconnect with quite some computing power.
Adding an extra chip is a very small step to take.

[Michael Chandra]

A commlink is far more than a chip though. Sure, you can use the display to see what's going on with the commlink, and a simple cellphone sure, but implant something the size of a commlink which is the size of an iphone? That's not going to fit in those eyes. Not if you want all that dataprocessing and the decent firewall on top of the ability to surf the net, slave your gear to its firewall, etc.

[Novocrane]

Just as a thought exercise;
You can replace your eyes with ocular mini drones. These are concealability -2 and the size of an eyeball. A commlink is concealability -4.

Concealability table; 420. Eyeware Ocular drone; 453. Horizon Flying Eye; 465.

[Noble Drake]

Just as a thought exercise;
You can replace your eyes with ocular mini drones. These are concealability -2 and the size of an eyeball. A commlink is concealability -4.

Concealability table; 420. Eyeware Ocular drone; 453. Horizon Flying Eye; 465.

Concealability is more than just size, though - in the case of the ocular drones you basically have them sitting in plain view (not hidden in a pocket) and the concealability is all about the person looking at your eyes realizing they aren't normal eyes - where the commlink concealability is all about whether someone notices that one of your pockets has something in it.

[Sendaz]

Heh,

That would be weird seeing someone launching the ocular mini drones from their  head to scout ahead.

[Novocrane]

[Commlinks] are small enough to fit in your pocket, on a belt clip, or on your wrist. If a pocket version isn't your style, commlinks are available in a number of other forms, including headwear, glasses, jewelry, cranial implant, belt buckles, and other accessories.

[A cyberdeck] is a bit bigger than a commlink, about the size of a small tablet or a spiral-bound notebook, or a pair of playing card decks.

Just so we're all on the same page as to how big a commlink is; smaller than a pair of playing card decks. Small enough to fit into non-specific jewelry, glasses or belt buckles.

Also, I simply don't agree with your interpretation of Concealability Ratings, Noble Drake.

[Noble Drake]

Also, I simply don't agree with your interpretation of Concealability Ratings, Noble Drake.

No problem to me.

It's just the only interpretation I've come up with that doesn't hit some snag or another when Concealability rules come along... like how a lined coat makes things harder to notice, a modifier that I feel must represent the assumption that part of concealability rating is how easily an object is simply removed from view (such as by sliding into a pocket).

[Michael Chandra]

Or, with SR4, Chameleon Coating & Camouflage Shroud.

[Tagami]

If you take away the battery, touchscreen, camera and audio components of an iPhone, you will be left with a unit the size of roughly 40x30x10 mm. Can that fit in the cavity that your eyeball and optical axis/ musculature occupy? Yes.

All other functions (video AR component) is performed through the eyes themselves.
You can use their DNI to supply voice component (just like an embedded headwear commlink does).

Cyber eyes are more than the eyeballs ladies and gentlemen. Those are the cameas and optical part of the system.

[Novocrane]

Also, I simply don't agree with your interpretation of Concealability Ratings, Noble Drake.

No problem to me.

It's just the only interpretation I've come up with that doesn't hit some snag or another when Concealability rules come along... like how a lined coat makes things harder to notice, a modifier that I feel must represent the assumption that part of concealability rating is how easily an object is simply removed from view (such as by sliding into a pocket).

Or, with SR4, Chameleon Coating & Camouflage Shroud.

I'd consider these things concealability modifiers, but the name is already taken for the base concealability of gear.

[Xenon]

an internal commlink is a headware. not vision enhancements. headware are small complex devices inserted into the head (not eyes) and typically constructed via less-invasive nanosurgery. items that have a capacity cost [in brackets] (like internal commlink do) may be installed in cyberlimbs (not cyberyes) instead, costing capacity rather than essence. cybereyes features capacity for vision enhancements (not headware that have a capacity rating). all vision enhancements are listed with capacity, availability and how much they cost to install as eyeware in cybereyes and they are are also listed with essence cost, availability and how much nuyen they cost to install as eyeware retinal modifications to natural eyes. this is raw. installing a commlink in your cybereyes is not.

You can use an internal commlink (as headware, attached to your brain - not your eyes) to give you a DNI without the need for a data jack or trodes. This mean you can use it for "super AR" without the need for other devices such as cyberyes, image link eyeware retinal modification to your natural eyes or image link in external imaging devices (such as goggles) as well as internal or external sound link, AR gloves etc. It already come modded with a sim module by default so you can also use it for cold-sim VR.