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(SR4) Horizon Veteriarian TM (Where did I go wrong?)

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« on: <06-18-15/0935:01> »
Before I copy and paste the Chummer page, I actually tried to make her in SR5 using Chummer5 and it came out worse somehow.
The base Priority system does not feel right, and karmagen on Chummer5 does not want to start for me.
The self-imposed challenge was to build a vet character that is skilled in training both physical pets and Protosapients.
Animal Husbandry and Electronics are R6.
Overall, not really happy with it but have no idea why.

Human
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 9
Lift/Carry: 4 (30 kg/20 kg)
Memory: 9
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 2
AGI: 3
REA: 3
STR: 2
CHA: 4
INT: 5
LOG: 5
WIL: 4
EDG: 2
RES: 5

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                8
IP:                        1
Matrix Initiative:         11
Matrix IP:                 3
Physical Damage Track:     9
Stun Damage Track:         10

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 6                      Pool: 13
Animal Training            : 6                      Pool: 13
Compiling                  : 3 [Paladin]            Pool: 8 (10)
Computer                   : 6                      Pool: 11
Cybercombat                : 3 [Protosapient]       Pool: 8 (10)
Data Search                : 6                      Pool: 11
First Aid                  : 3 [Animal Inflicted]   Pool: 8 (10)
Hardware                   : 6                      Pool: 11
Perception                 : 3 [Visual]             Pool: 8 (10)
Pilot Ground Craft         : 2                      Pool: 5
Pistols                    : 3                      Pool: 6
Registering                : 2 [Paladin]            Pool: 7 (9)
Riding                     : 6                      Pool: 11
Software                   : 6                      Pool: 11
Tracking                   : 2 [Urban]              Pool: 7 (9)
VetTech                    : 6                      Pool: 13

== Knowledge Skills ==
Area Knowledge: Seattle    : 4                      Pool: 9
Biology                    : 4 [Physiology]         Pool: 9 (11)
Data Havens                : 4 [Veterinary]         Pool: 9 (11)
English                    : N                      Pool: 0
News                       : 4 [Veterinary]         Pool: 9 (11)
Parazoology                : 4                      Pool: 9
Politics                   : 4 [Corporate]          Pool: 9 (11)
Shadow Community           : 3 [News]               Pool: 8 (10)
Sports                     : 3 [Urban Brawl]        Pool: 8 (10)

== Contacts ==
Club Hopper (2, 2)
Netcat (2, 2)

== Qualities ==
Animal Empathy
Day Job (40 hrs/week)
Hawk Eye
Prejudiced (Specific, Biased) (Darkin Group)
Records on File (Horizon)
SINner (Standard) (Horizon)
Synthetic Sympathy
Technomancer

== Complex Forms ==
(Tradition: Info Savants, Resist Fading with INT + RES (10))
Analyze
Armor
Attack
Browse
Command
Data Bomb
Defuse
Edit
Encrypt
Medic

== Lifestyles ==
High  1 months

== Armor ==
6 Tees casualwear (Horizon)0/0
6 Tees casualwear (Horizon)0/0
6 Tees urban fashion (Horizon)0/0
Bike Racing Armor         4/7
   +Chemical Protection 6
   +Fire Resistance 6
   +Nonconductivity 6
   +Thermal Damping 6
Bike Racing Helmet        1/2
   +Flare Compensation
   +Image Link
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0

== Weapons ==
Colt America L36
   Pool: 6   DV: 4P   AP: -   RC: 0
Unarmed Attack
   Pool: 2   DV: 1S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Living Persona (5 (6), 5, 4, 3)
   +Living Persona
   +Biofeedback Filter Rating 4
Renraku Sensei (2, 3, 2, 4)
   +Mangadyne Deva
   +AR Gloves
   +Biometric Reader
   +Satellite Link
   +Simrig
   +Trodes
   +Subvocal Microphone
   +Headphones Rating 1
   +FTL Matrixware Power Suite [Analyze 3, Browse 4, Command 2, Edit 4, Purge 4, Scan 2]
   +Simsense Movie
   +Simsense Video Game (Commlink)
   +VR Game

== Gear ==
Ammo: Gel Rounds (Light Pistols) x40
Ammo: Stick-n-Shock (Light Pistols) x10
Biomonitor
DocWagon Contract: Basic
Medkit Rating 6 x3

== Vehicles ==
Ares-Segway Terrier (PMV)
   +Motorcycle Gyro Stabilization
   +Vehicle Sensor

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« Reply #1 on: <06-21-15/0957:38> »
A 4th editon on a 5th edition chummer.
Are you not talking about the priority system 5e?

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« Reply #2 on: <06-21-15/1020:46> »
This was done on 4th edition.
This is a Karmagen character.
At the time I didn't have a version of Chummer5 that could do Karmagen.
Tried it again with what I believe is the latest version, didn't end up as good.

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« Reply #3 on: <06-21-15/1115:25> »
Okay Karmagen in 4th edition
general
one rule is only one at 6 or two at 5 for skill
skill groups are at a 4 maxium for start

Qualities are numric good but i would look at Sinner Horizon and records on file Horizon a bit closer.
Not my cup of thea, advice never run against Horizon.

I can't look at the gear for this moment so no advice at that.

i used chummer 4th edition for the basics don't have acces to my books
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« Reply #4 on: <06-21-15/1456:39> »
Yeah, for some reason, I broke the restrictions for skills.
Would of preferred having a Corporate SINner Horizon.
Did an update to bring the skills back to regs.
Kept Electronics at 4

Animal Handling            : 5 [Veterinary]         Pool: 12 (14)
Animal Training            : 5                      Pool: 12
Compiling                  : 4                      Pool: 9
Computer                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Cybercombat                : 4 [Protosapient]       Pool: 9 (11)
Data Search                : 4                      Pool: 9
Etiquette                  : 2                      Pool: 6
First Aid                  : 4 [Animal Inflicted]   Pool: 9 (11)
Hardware                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Perception                 : 4 [Visual]             Pool: 9 (11)
Pilot Ground Craft         : 4                      Pool: 7
Pistols                    : 4 [Semi-Automatics]    Pool: 7 (9)
Registering                : 4                      Pool: 9
Riding                     : 4                      Pool: 9
Software                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Tracking                   : 4 [Urban]              Pool: 9 (11)
VetTech                    : 4                      Pool: 11

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« Reply #5 on: <06-21-15/1532:08> »
beside tm what is your role?

and what is your table's basuc rolling 12+ 14+ or 18+

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« Reply #6 on: <06-21-15/1542:49> »
She's a Horizon Animal Care Vet and still employed by Horizon.
Rolls are usually 12+.
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« Reply #7 on: <06-21-15/1603:06> »
As a vet what is your role? The runner tean specialise in hunting?

I dont critisie the role but are you a TM and a backup vet.

Horizon dark little secret is the Dawkins Group how does your character knows them?

Stat like in my book you are ckear for Karma

Roleplay is your group,

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« Reply #8 on: <06-21-15/1657:17> »
Has a Specific, Biased Prejudiced quality for them.
Might use them to force her into the shadows at a later time.
No plans on taking her to the shadows, at least not yet.
Initial plan for this build was to explore how a Vet would play out.
Horizon, with its openness, actually works as a starting ground.
Weirdly, she ends up using her protosapients for dealing with matrix threats more than sprites.
The Kitteh and Helsenbug are vicious on non-TM opponents.
Has a Barghest named Static to neutralize physical threats.

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« Reply #9 on: <06-22-15/1242:05> »
Item wise don't forget some fake sins and licenses and invest in some contacts, glasees and headphones with upgrades.

Take a look at the homebrew packs forum for aditional gear ideas

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« Reply #10 on: <06-22-15/1543:07> »
That was the huge problem with this build.
Okay, hurt a little, but reduced RES to 4.
Wanted to keep inventory restricted at most, with no forbidden. (have to play by Horizon's rules for now)
Which meant removing Thermal Dampening, ugh.
Also changed the complex forms a little.

== Contacts ==
Armorer (3, 2)
Club Hopper (3, 2)
Netcat (5, 2)

== Complex Forms ==
(Tradition: Info Savants, Resist Fading with INT + RES (9))
Analyze
Armor
Attack
Browse
Command
Edit
Encrypt
Medic
Stealth
Track

== Armor ==
6 Tees casualwear (Horizon)0/0
6 Tees casualwear (Horizon)0/0
6 Tees urban fashion (Horizon)0/0
Bike Racing Armor         4/7
   +Chemical Protection 6
   +Fire Resistance 6
   +Nonconductivity 6
Bike Racing Helmet        1/2
   +Flare Compensation
   +Image Link
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance businesswear (Horizon)0/0
Brilliance formalwear (Horizon)0/0

== Weapons ==
Colt America L36
   +Concealable Holster
   +Smartgun System, Internal
   Pool: 9 (11)   DV: 4P   AP: -   RC: 0
Unarmed Attack
   Pool: 2   DV: 1S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Living Persona (4 (5), 4, 4, 2)
   +Living Persona
   +Biofeedback Filter Rating 4
Transys Avalon (4, 4, 6, 4)
   +Novatech Navi
   +Iris Antivirus [Analyze 5, Purge 5]
   +FTL Matrixware Power Suite [Analyze 3, Browse 4, Command 2, Edit 4, Purge 4, Scan 2]
   +Glasses Rating 4 [Flare Compensation, Image Link, Smartlink, Vision Magnification]
   +Earbuds Rating 3 [Audio Enhancement 3, Select Sound Filter 3, Spatial Recognizer]
   +Satellite Link
   +Sim Module (Cold)
   +Subvocal Microphone
   +Biometric Reader
   +Biometric Lock
   +Trodes
   +Holo Projector
   +CarnivoreGold Rating 6 [Copy Protection 6, Registration]
   +MonaLisa Rating 6 [Copy Protection 6, Registration]
   +Lip Reader Rating 6 [Copy Protection 6, Registration]

== Gear ==
Ammo: Gel Rounds (Light Pistols) x40
Ammo: Stick-n-Shock (Light Pistols) x10
Biomonitor
Camera Rating 6
   +Wildlife Spotter Software Rating 6
   +Image Link
   +Flare Compensation
   +Vision Magnification
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
   +Thermographic
   +Ultrasound
DocWagon Contract: Basic
Endoscope Rating 3
Medkit Rating 6 x3
Respirator Rating 6
Simsense Arcade Machine x10
Simsense Movie x5
Simsense Sports Rebroadcast x20
Simsense Video Game (Commlink) x5
Stimulant Patch Rating 6 x2
Tranq Patch Rating 9 x2
Trauma Patch x2
Virtual Surround Music x45

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« Reply #11 on: <06-22-15/1658:14> »
for eye and ear items i use usual this might help a bit if you leave on your "retirement" gear. ideas

Contact Lenses Rating 2 700 av 12r
   +Flare Compensation
   +Smartlink
   +Skinlink
Earbuds Rating 2   470 av 8
   +Audio Enhancement Rating 3
   +Spatial Recognizer
   +Skinlink
Glasses Rating 2 625 av 12
   +Vision Magnification
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
   +Skinlink
   +Thermographic

SIN and license and some cash All rating 12F except the credstick total 6.125
Fake SIN (EXAMPLE) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Concealed carry) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Firearms permit) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Specialized Job) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Driving license) Rating 4
   +Certified Credstick, Standard Rating 500 cash

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« Reply #12 on: <06-22-15/1833:01> »
Added the Skinlink cyberware.
Switched out the commlink to a Horizon model.
Still have 1230 left.

Colt America L36
   +Concealable Holster
   +Smartgun System, Internal
   +Skinlink
   Pool: 9 (11)   DV: 4P   AP: -   RC: 0

Singularity Battle Buddy Basic (5, 6, 6, 5)
   +Biometric Lock
   +Hardening Rating 5
   +Armor Case Rating 5
   +Earbuds Rating 3 [Audio Enhancement 3, Select Sound Filter 3, Skinlink]
   +AR Gloves
   +Biometric Reader
   +Sim Module (Cold)
   +Subvocal Microphone
   +Trodes
   +Holo Projector
   +Glasses Rating 4 [Image Link, Skinlink, Smartlink, Vision Enhancement 3, Vision Magnification]
   +Skinlink
   +Satellite Link
   +Suite: Pro User [Analyze 4, Browse 4, Command 2, Edit 4]
   +Contact Lenses Rating 3 [Flare Compensation, Low Light, Thermographic]
   +Purge Rating 6 [Copy Protection 6, Registration]

The SIN and Licenses will be before Darkin Group pushes her out the door.

BIG thanks for all the questions Lonewheels.
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