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« Reply #30 on: <03-05-15/1640:09> »
I read those two lines as interacting completely differently. Kind of surprised that people interpreted it in a way that negates the existence of penalties, then didn't like the results that followed.
Probably because the 1st line gets no added reference in the example even though the example clearly talks about 2 people both using over their STR attribute.  It only mentions the 2nd line calculations about encumbrance.  The fact that both lines are in the section about Encumbrance but the 1st one is never mentioned again in the Armor section where the accessories is probably also why its assumed to be incorrect.  It even lists one of the characters as having a +8 Armor Value.  Not JUST the +5 he would be at if he was capped at STR.


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« Reply #31 on: <03-05-15/1641:53> »
*shrug* I stopped paying attention to examples and archetype character sheets.

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« Reply #32 on: <03-05-15/1728:55> »
How can someone exceed their strength attribute by 2+points if their armor is limited to their strength?
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« Reply #33 on: <03-05-15/1741:28> »
There's no reason to base penalties off the modified accessory bonus - just the base accessory bonus.

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« Reply #34 on: <03-05-15/1854:46> »
I'm still confused about what you're saying Novacrane.  Are you agreeing that the total value of the armor modifications is the number to work off of?

Example: if someone has a STR of 3, they can use up to 4 points of bonus armor without penalty?

Or do you disagree and feel like someone with STR 3 can wear 10 points of armor bonuses without penalty so long as that person uses 3 points of their 10?
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« Reply #35 on: <03-05-15/1858:40> »
I think he's saying both.

STR-5 + Helmet & Shield =   Your capped at 5 "effective" AND because you've stacked to 8 you suffer penalties for 3 over.
So you don't have the STR to get the other 3 and just wearing the other 3 slows you down.

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« Reply #36 on: <03-05-15/1900:44> »
I think he's saying both.

STR-5 + Helmet & Shield =   Your capped at 5 "effective" AND because you've stacked to 8 you suffer penalties for 3 over.
So you don't have the STR to get the other 3 and just wearing the other 3 slows you down.

Ouch. But I can see it.
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« Reply #37 on: <03-05-15/2318:32> »
Ahhhhh.  That actually makes a LOT of sense.
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« Reply #38 on: <03-09-15/1809:10> »
You could take it as, in order to make both clauses have a point :
5 Strength
Helmet, +2 AV, less than 5, so full bonus applies.
Ballistic Shield, +6 AV, more than 5, so capped at +5 AV
Total bonus is +7AV.
This exceeds strength by 2 points, so they'd get the -1 penalty (though I like the idea of making it based on the max rather than actual bonus because it still has that size!)

Of course, nothing we're discussing matches the example!

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« Reply #39 on: <03-10-15/0453:35> »
Now I just want to write up a Gravity Spell that increases gravitational forces on a targeted piece of equipment, like say making their helmet or shield suddenly weight more.
(changing it's virtual AV, but no actually increasing the real AV of the item.  So if I increased the Helmet by 5x, its encumberance calculation would be as if it were 10, but still just 2AV for actual defense)
Would it be easier just to target the person? Of course, but this is more amusing. ;)
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« Reply #40 on: <03-11-15/1913:36> »
Ouch. But I can see it.

Ahhhhh.  That actually makes a LOT of sense.


I totally see how he's reading it.  The issue is the 2nd portion is the example doesn't support the "Hard Cap" part at all.
Which is why I always felt the literal reading of it was not as written but as my example above reads.

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=19998.msg358489#msg358489