[TheNarrator]

The Tiffany Needler was mentioned in the Arsenal errata. The AP was changed from +2 to +5, as per the change in the rules for flechettes. But the damage was inexplicably changed from 6P(f) to 8P(f), which is damage on par with what you'd get if you loaded an assault rifle with flechettes. That doesn't seem appropriate to me for an extremely small hold-out pistol made for upper-crust dilettantes. It makes the Needler the most powerful semi-automatic handgun in the game.

[Falconer]

I'm looking at the errata...  and the table entries... it's showing 6P AP+2.

p. 174 Compiled Tables
The following weapon entries should list an AP of +5 (per the updated flechette rules): Raecor Sting (p.174), Ares Viper Slivergun (p.175), Remington Roomsweeper w/ flechettes (p.175), Mossberg AM-CMDT (p.176), Remington 990 w/ flechettes (p.176), Street Sweeper (p.176).


No mention of the gun or a damage code change on the chart.

[TheNarrator]

The errata in question is specifically the errata for the Arsenal sourcebook where the Tiffany Needler appears. Version 1.3.2 dated September 12, 2008.

It's possible that it's been errata'd back since then. If anybody has the newest reprint of Arsenal, perhaps they can check.

[_Pax_]

The errata in question is specifically the errata for the Arsenal sourcebook where the Tiffany Needler appears. Version 1.3.2 dated September 12, 2008.

  I've got the PDF, and I believe it's been updated since then.  It lists the Needler as 6P(f), AP+2i ... the file was created 22 September 2011, and last modified 2 July 2011.

  How's that for screwed up? 

[Snake Eyes]

The errata in question is specifically the errata for the Arsenal sourcebook where the Tiffany Needler appears. Version 1.3.2 dated September 12, 2008.

  I've got the PDF, and I believe it's been updated since then.  It lists the Needler as 6P(f), AP+2i ... the file was created 22 September 2011, and last modified 2 July 2011.

  How's that for screwed up? 

Yup, i have the Arsenal (2nd printing 2011) pdf, and it shows the damage you mention. So did a mistake creep in again or did the errata get an errata

[TheNarrator]

Okay, so they made a mistake in the errata in 2008, and fixed in later errata sometime before 2011.

That's about what I figured.

[Sichr]

Guys, note one thing that was cause of some crying and anger when reprint came out...they forgot to incorporate erratta into it. So it has same glitches as previous version.
see here:
http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=4077.0

[Mäx]

Okay, so they made a mistake in the errata in 2008, and fixed in later errata sometime before 2011.

That's about what I figured.

Nope, they just accidentally reprinted the original arsenal without any errata what so ever.