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Title: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Shadowwalker on <09-05-10/1921:06>: Greetings All I have a Question for all of you.
Is counterspelling useful in resistance to Mana based critter powers?
also when trying to shake off the effect of Critter power that effect the mind will existing counter spelling help?

thanks for the help
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-05-10/2021:56>: Quote from: Shadowwalker on <09-05-10/1921:06>
Greetings All I have a Question for all of you.
Is counterspelling useful in resistance to Mana based critter powers?
also when trying to shake off the effect of Critter power that effect the mind will existing counter spelling help?

thanks for the help

No, critter powers are generally not spells (aside from Innate Spell, obviously) and counterspelling is not effective against them.
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0248:30>: There is an initiate metamagic ability that lets one do it, but again that is metamagic.
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Shadowwalker on <09-06-10/0307:52>: Quote from: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0248:30>
There is an initiate metamagic ability that lets one do it, but again that is metamagic.

Oh which one?
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0311:59>: You had to ask.

I don't recall the name of it, but I believe it is in the magic sourcebook. One of the newer initiations. If not, then I really don't recall where I saw it (it's late and I'm tired, maybe I'll remember tomorrow).
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-06-10/0316:18>: Hmm, I'm unaware of one that does that. It's possible I could have missed it though.
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: FastJack on <09-06-10/0337:38>: I couldn't find anything in Street Magic like that either. Maybe another book or earlier edition?
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0346:27>: Possibly an earlier edition. I have every one and every magic book made for SR. It is quite conceivable that I am confusing one or more of them.
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Shadowwalker on <09-06-10/1838:38>: I think that the thing that confuses me the most is that the SR4A states that you can attempt to shake off the effects of The Influence (p286) Critter power using the the test as describe under Mental Manipulation p.210 which reads as follows: Mental Manipulations: For Mental Manipulation spells, the caster makes an Opposed Spellcasting + Magic Test against the target’s Willpower (+ Counterspelling, if available). If the caster scores more hits, she controls the target as noted in the spell description. Every (Force) Combat Turns, the victim may spend a Complex Action to shake off the mental control. The victim rolls a Willpower (+ Counterspelling) Test; each hit reduces the net hits on the caster’s original Spellcasting Test. If the spellcaster’s net hits are reduced to 0, the spell no longer affects the target.
SR4A p. 210
Title: Re: Critter powers and Counterspelling
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-06-10/1916:33>: There are a few places that specifically detail that Counterspelling use is allowed, Faerie Glamour is another. But by and large, it's not the rule.