[Glorthoron]

if you were to cast physical barrier as a wall and lay it flat like a bridge, how would you determine the amount of weight it can hold?

If I were to do it simple, I would just say that the force of the barrier can support a number of body points equal to the force of the spell.  This is, of course, very simple, and not very good, but it would work in a pinch.  Any other ideas?

[Black]

I would use the structure/barrier rating as a guide.  Hmmm... looking at the barrier rating table, it would require a fair bit of force before it could hold much...

Force 5 should be sufficent for a lightly armoured normal person to cross, or maybe force 6.

On furthe thought, Glorthoron, your body point idea works out about the same and makes for a more objective measurement.  I concur with your idea and would implement it in my own games.

[Blue_Lion]

On the shape of the wall created with the spell start with the meaning of the word wall, as the base.

[quote/] wall (wôl)
n.
1. An upright structure of masonry, wood, plaster, or other building material serving to enclose, divide, or protect an area, especially a vertical construction forming an inner partition or exterior siding of a building.
2. A continuous structure of masonry or other material forming a rampart and built for defensive purposes. Often used in the plural.
3. A structure of stonework, cement, or other material built to retain a flow of water.
4.
a. Something resembling a wall in appearance, function, or construction, as the exterior surface of a body organ or part: the abdominal wall.
b. Something resembling a wall in impenetrability or strength: a wall of silence; a wall of fog.
c. An extreme or desperate condition or position, such as defeat or ruin: driven to the wall by poverty.
5. Sports The vertical surface of an ocean wave in surfing. [/quote]

So by the defintion of a physcal structure wall (used to devide or protecect a place) it is a upright or verticle structure, I dont see a ramp (athou createive) as meating that. A cylnder shaped wall whould meet it.

[ArkangelWinter]

The rules say yoy can move the "wall" after casting, and give no restriction on laying it down during that movement.

[Glorthoron]

On the shape of the wall created with the spell start with the meaning of the word wall, as the base.

[quote/] wall (wôl)
n.
1. An upright structure of masonry, wood, plaster, or other building material serving to enclose, divide, or protect an area, especially a vertical construction forming an inner partition or exterior siding of a building.
2. A continuous structure of masonry or other material forming a rampart and built for defensive purposes. Often used in the plural.
3. A structure of stonework, cement, or other material built to retain a flow of water.
4.
a. Something resembling a wall in appearance, function, or construction, as the exterior surface of a body organ or part: the abdominal wall.
b. Something resembling a wall in impenetrability or strength: a wall of silence; a wall of fog.
c. An extreme or desperate condition or position, such as defeat or ruin: driven to the wall by poverty.
5. Sports The vertical surface of an ocean wave in surfing.

So by the defintion of a physcal structure wall (used to devide or protecect a place) it is a upright or verticle structure, I dont see a ramp (athou createive) as meating that. A cylnder shaped wall whould meet it.
[/quote]

Using your logic, if you base it off of the definition of the word wall, it can be used as so many other things.  Using this spell, I could make an ocean wave (easily used as a ramp), create poverty conditions around a person, create a wall with a rampart (gives something to stand on like a bridge), or even a structure to prevent the flow of water (if it is raining, the flow of water is vertical, a horizontal wall is the only thing that would prevent the flow of that water).

Magic doesn't follow the laws of oxford, gage, merriam, or webster.

[Blue_Lion]

Well the purpus of the spells wall is to create a physical structure to enclose, devide or protect and area. So that is the meaning of wall i went off.
 It never said that it formed a rampart in fact a rampart whould require a 3rd dimetion stat witch it does not have so that meaning is does not realy seam to apply.
on three water is small like air travels in more molcule level. Nornaly if something is water tight it is air tight so that one does not apply.
four is refencing back to one in apearnce, strenght or inpeniblty.
four c is a using a condition not a structure.
five is refering to a sports use of the word in the sport of surfing so not refering to the structure.

Understanding and interpition are key in magic. If magic says something creates X and X is accepted as refering to something then all it can be is that. Once it stops meating the meaning applied by concept/tradtion it breakes its abilty to function.
Exmple the rules say that a mage can comand summoned spirts if his tradition says he can't then the mage can't

So it comes down to what is the intended spirt purpus of the the spell, it is to creat object to devide, enclose or protect an area. A ramp on the other hand serves to create access point or way pass some thing. So thout it creates a physical structure the structure is not ment to porvide access but limit it so a bridge and ramp do not live up to the inteded purpus of the spell.

Using a spell in a way that violates its inteded nature makes the spell fail, magic is funny like that even if it seams it should be able to do x or x should happen if it is not within the nature of the spell it does not happen. Like elemntal aura should cook what it is on but buring the caster is not within its nature.

[Glorthoron]

So it comes down to what is the intended spirt purpus of the the spell, it is to creat object to devide, enclose or protect an area. A ramp on the other hand serves to create access point or way pass some thing. So thout it creates a physical structure the structure is not ment to porvide access but limit it so a bridge and ramp do not live up to the inteded purpus of the spell.

A ramp sure does full under the prupose of the spell.  It can be used to "enclose" the area underneath, which would mean that walking up it would still follow the spirit of the spell, because if you fell through, the area under the wall would not be enclosed.  Same goes for a wall extending horizontally from a solid object.  The purpose is to prevent the passing through of a person, in essence, enclosing that person from falling.  See, it's entirely based on perspective.

Using a spell in a way that violates its inteded nature makes the spell fail, magic is funny like that even if it seams it should be able to do x or x should happen if it is not within the nature of the spell it does not happen. Like elemntal aura should cook what it is on but buring the caster is not within its nature.

Magic is funny because it is completely based on perspective and belief.  It has nothing to do with the intent of the spell, but rather the caster's belief of what the spell's intent is.

[Blue_Lion]

Guess we will just have to disagree. To me once you lay it down it is no longer a wall. A wall horiznal is a floor not a wall. A wall with a incline is ramp not a wall.

In truth the only thing that matters is what you and you gm think it can do.