[JustADude]

The "good guys" do sometimes win in Shadowrun, it's just rare.  Just like real life.  Why I'd be happy to run a "Leverage"-type game someday.

Run, or play? 

Probably run.  I'm nowhere near smart enough or on the ball enough to play in that type of game. 

Oh come on, you'd make a great Parker!

[CanRay]

Oh come on, you'd make a great Parker!

I'm about as broken as she is, yeah.

[Crimsondude]

a small problem with shadow run is that it suffers from this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarknessInducedAudienceApathy

Oh, TVTropes.

Well, shadowrun is a fairly jaded world, it is true. However, I wouldn't say that there aren't good people out there, and that they never win. Instances of that are few and far between, but when they happen, you notice it even more because of that. An example would be the Resistance during the Shutdown.

The Resistance didn't win shit.

[DarkLloyd]

Well, shadowrun is a fairly jaded world, it is true. However, I wouldn't say that there aren't good people out there, and that they never win. Instances of that are few and far between, but when they happen, you notice it even more because of that. An example would be the Resistance during the Shutdown.

The Resistance didn't win shit.

He's right. They didn't win anything. I played thru that whole thing. The resistance survived. That is about all they can claim and even then they only did so because Deus needed them to. Even the runners that "won" that module didn't win, the AI escaped. Hell my character lost his mother and his sister was crippled and brain damaged from all that.

The closest thing SR has had to a good guy is Dunkelzhan. And he was banished. Now it seems that even the people who were closest to him and that should've carried on his works are even sucuming to "DarknessInducedAudienceApathy".

[Crimsondude]

Well, shadowrun is a fairly jaded world, it is true. However, I wouldn't say that there aren't good people out there, and that they never win. Instances of that are few and far between, but when they happen, you notice it even more because of that. An example would be the Resistance during the Shutdown.

The Resistance didn't win shit.

He's right.

Of course I'm right.

I'm always right.

Now it seems that even the people who were closest to him and that should've carried on his works are even sucuming to "DarknessInducedAudienceApathy".

[Critias]

Hey, to the Resistance, survival was a win.  Sometimes that's enough.  Sometimes that is the happy ending.

[CanRay]

Hey, to the Resistance, survival was a win.  Sometimes that's enough.  Sometimes that is the happy ending.

No endings, just another beginning.

[WellSpokenRunner]

Well I think this is why I liked the Draco Foundation. Raven and Wolf's crew, Dirk and Argent, and even Geraint, Serrin, and Michael.  They seem to be the few altruistic characters in SR.  Not to sound soppy or soft headed but as hard and amoral as I tried to make my old game, as much as I tried to throw in Horrors and mercenaries, it always became about trying to do good in a weird kind of jet set Bond super spy way but still tried to have that happy ending.

Until the PhysAd Giant did a Heel Turn and sold out to Aztechnology.  Never trust a Russian with a hammer-and-sickel weapon focus.

[Patrick Goodman]

Hmmm. There might be hope for some of my stuff after all.

[Crimsondude]

The problem in Shadowrun is that, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" isn't just a pithy saying.

I don't know. I look at Shadowrun very differently from how I look at the real world.

[CanRay]

I look at Shadowrun and wish it was the real world.  Truth is stranger, and often worse, than fiction.   

[Crimsondude]

That is fucked-up.

[CanRay]

That is fucked-up.

You expect anything else from me?

[Mirikon]

Well, in some of those early stories, even when the good guys win, the villain's plot moves on, sometimes only advancing BECAUSE the good guys won!

Regarding the Shutdown, yes, the Resistance survived. Same as the French Resistance did in the early years of WWII. Just like the American troops at Bastogne did during the Battle of the Bulge. They survived until someone else could come and rescue them. Sometimes surviving is all the win you need.

Shadowrun is a bleak world, but that doesn't mean everything's dark. Even runners have ethics, things that they just won't do. Things they care about. Things they will lay down their lives to defend. And I would say that it is the darkness all around that makes those rare moments all the more brilliant.

[Wakshaani]

Well, as long as it's just meta and not Law & Order-style "ripped from the headlines" with funnier-looking folks. That would just piss me off.

*checks list*

Let's see, on my list right now, I have Amazonia and the UK squaring off over the Falkland Islands, the celebration of Manhattan's own Urban Brawl stars against the Bostonians, a KSAF reporter who gets her face nearly chewed off by an adorable GenePet, Sony's newest Commlink game system, and, of course, the recent death of Maria Mercurial, the cause of death of which is still unknown.

*Totally* metaplot.