[falar]

Impossible, perhaps not, but it's as far from feasible it isn't even funny.

We agree on the thrust, just not on the intensity.

What did you think of the alternate Hughes Stallion?

[All4BigGuns]

What did you think of the alternate Hughes Stallion?

Potential, but it's definitely a case where we need very comprehensive 'ground up' creation rules like we had in third edition.

[ScytheKnight]

Or you know... you're in a regular game and each team member chips in some of the cash to get a team vehicle.

Are most of the aircraft impossible to get for a single runner? More or less, yes, that's kinda the point though as high end gear like that is more about a team purchase, even Missions play allows pooling of resources (with careful GM oversight).

[Wakshaani]

What did you think of the alternate Hughes Stallion?

Potential, but it's definitely a case where we need very comprehensive 'ground up' creation rules like we had in third edition.

If that happens, it'd be a dedicated E-book. The demand's just not there and the potential for abuse is *huge*. So, it'd be pretty far down on the list.

That said, I have a few ideas that I'll be pitching upstairs after Xmas.

[Dinendae]

So now we enter the Price is Right portion of the thread!

How much would *you* pay for a heavily-armed combat chopper?

Looking at that artwork, it appears to be a two-seatter (pilot & co-pilot/gunner). In that case I would say 250,000 without the missiles (sold separately!), ammunition for the guns, or additional items. If it was more like a Mil Mi-24 (HIND) series helicopter, with additional seating in the body for say 4 metahumans, then I would go with 300,000 - 350,000. I don't need top of the line aircraft to be happy though; something along the lines of This Old Drone, but for obsolete models of aircraft and watercraft, or the 4th Edition Euro Wars vehicle supplement would be fantastic. Since it appears that decent mods for vehicles and drones will be in the supplement (THANK YOU!), those could be used to update older vehicles to not be one-hit wonders, and thus be affordable to a rigger while still being viable to use.

[Banshee]

How much would *you* pay for a heavily-armed combat chopper?

I actually found the Nissan Hound pretty fairly priced for that. Drop six seats and I think 375k would be fair.

EDITED TO ADD: I did remake the Hughes Stallion for my group as follows:

This workhorse utility helicopter can be fitted to carry cargo, though it slows the vehicle down. It is traditionally used as a people carrier or light cargo lifter.

Handling:     4   
Speed:     4
Acceleration:      3   
Pilot:    3
Body:    14   
Armor:     8
Sensor:     3   
Seats:   - 7 (1 troll-sized)
Availability:    12   
Price:    175,000

you might be surprised at how close you came to what the new Stallion will look like in Rigger 5 ... pretty close

[falar]

you might be surprised at how close you came to what the new Stallion will look like in Rigger 5 ... pretty close

Hah! As long as I'm close to right on the price, I'll be happy. And it will be something that you can easily throw a heavy weapon mount and two standards on.

In my game, one of the "competing" runner groups has it with an LMG mounted on one of the entrances so their street sam can stand behind it and shoot it manually. While wearing lots of red faux-leather armor and 14 ruby-handed pistols.

[PiXeL01]

One of my initial shocks when reading CRB was seeing the Ares Dragon and the Stalion being listed as similar vehicles so they would share stats. The same about the Nightsky and the Phaeton.
Will these be split up again? (Please say yes)

[AJCarrington]

More art from Tumblr:





Not too keen on the x-sport candidate (how would he be in front of the plane...), but quite liking the luxury yacht.

[Sendaz]

the boat at the bottom looks to be a luxury yacht.

The big boy looks to be a cruise liner sized and if so, why would that be in the book?

[Jack_Spade]

Has no one in your team ever said "we need a bigger boat"? 

In other news: I really, really need Rigger 5 to come out soon. Any ETA to be had yet?

[Sendaz]

ok, fair point but I quit hunting Megalodon some time back.

At least with all the art popping up its a good sign it should be coming soon so let's hope the jingle plays true.....

On the First day of Christmas
Catalyst sent to me
Rigger 5 on Drivethrurpg......

[Kincaid]

Even if you're not in the market for a boat like that, having the stats would be handy for a variety of kidnapping jobs.

[Beta]

Agreed -- as a GM, "NPC gear" is useful to know too!

[Wakshaani]

Yeah, not everything in there is intended for PC use. MOST of it, yes. The majority, teh vast majority, heck, nigh-unto-the-entireity is for PCs, but there're a few "Hey GMs? Bet you could use this somewhere." bits in the mix as well.

Oh, and there's fluff. You definately want to read the fluff.