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« Reply #75 on: <09-10-10/1314:23> »
Meh.  If I'm not waving a gun around, it's just a conversation, not a debate or argument.
True... but I can't see if you are or not through the interwebz ;D


Now we're arguing... ;)
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« Reply #76 on: <09-10-10/1341:34> »
Just for the record, an argument can also be "a process of reasoning; series of reasons: as in I couldn't follow his argument" or "a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: as in This is a strong argument in favor of her theory" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument.

So, yes, an argument can be just fine.  It's the angry shouting ones that can become bothersome.
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« Reply #77 on: <09-11-10/0938:37> »
Just for the record, an argument can also be "a process of reasoning; series of reasons: as in I couldn't follow his argument" or "a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point: as in This is a strong argument in favor of her theory" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument.

So, yes, an argument can be just fine.  It's the angry shouting ones that can become bothersome.
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« Reply #78 on: <09-11-10/1451:49> »
Take a look at the HERO games "Ultimate Martial Artist," and you'll see a book that covers a lot of martial arts very well, but that obviously took a whooooole lot of time to put together.

As a side note, if anyone is searching for nice sources for playing martial arts: GURPS Martial Arts is also a nice book, including descriptions of many styles. Usefull stuff if you want to flesh out your fighting descriptions.
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« Reply #79 on: <09-12-10/1506:47> »
Same reason Matrix rules make no real life sense, grenade rules are plain absurd and people have something called Essence - gaming balance.
......How unbalancing can an unarmed fighting style get compared to a Panther XXL? ;D :D

You haven't seen Stahlseele's Trolls ;)

A Troll Ki-Ad Melee Fighter can be deadlier than a Panther Sturmkanone !
Deadlier by far
(but that was allready mentioned )

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« Reply #80 on: <09-13-10/0023:51> »
You haven't seen Stahlseele's Trolls ;)

A Troll Ki-Ad Melee Fighter can be deadlier than a Panther Sturmkanone !
Deadlier by far
(but that was allready mentioned )

Hough !
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« Reply #81 on: <09-13-10/0546:24> »
Same reason Matrix rules make no real life sense, grenade rules are plain absurd and people have something called Essence - gaming balance.
......How unbalancing can an unarmed fighting style get compared to a Panther XXL? ;D :D

You haven't seen Stahlseele's Trolls ;)

A Troll Ki-Ad Melee Fighter can be deadlier than a Panther Sturmkanone !
Deadlier by far


(but that was allready mentioned )

Hough !
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shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
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« Reply #82 on: <09-13-10/0547:36> »
I didn't have time to read all the posts, so maybe it's been addressed already, but one thing that's great about the SR gun rules is that they're very realistic in many ways compared to how many melee games handle guns (i.e. palladium..D20).  Why should the martial arts rules be any less realistic.  I'm sorry but by and large the primary difference between different fighting styles is purely esthetic....and is designed to only makes sense when fighting with other people of that same style.  I do capoeira, and I love capoeira...my cousin is the capoeira instructor in my town and he used to be a professional ultimate fighter....and capoeira has helped him to be very flexible, have good stamina, and fast reflexes...so it's definitely helped him be an all around better fighter....but in a professional fight he doesn't use any capoeira....it all comes down to your standing game (muy thai variants)  and most importantly your ground game (brazilian jujitsu)...and that's what everyone trains because it's what works in a real fight.  Training other styles can help you out, but in a much more indirect way....not in the way martial arts enthuasats usually think where "dragon fist" or "praying mantis" is somehow going to make a difference.  I think the way SR represents martial arts is much closer to reality....and if don't believe me just start watching some real MMA.  
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« Reply #83 on: <09-13-10/0603:20> »
What you say is somewhat true Inca. Being trained in 3 different styles (TKD, Shorin Ryu, Wing Chun Do) what you have said is mostly true. But when I joined Wing, everything I lerner in my hard styles went out the window. Since Wing is the only soft style I've studied I can't say if it's principles would hold up in any other. Going from crane to mantis probably would have some similarities but also be different enough to make a student start from scratch. Little things like weather a side kick steps behind or over when chambering is easier than say learning a driving punch v a cuncussion punch. ;)


However for an RPG a block is a block and a kick is a kick, it's the art's specific "perks" that will differ.
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« Reply #84 on: <09-13-10/0857:31> »
shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
(but that was allready mentioned )

Not so close anymore if he initiates a few times, raised magic and learns distance strike...
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« Reply #85 on: <09-13-10/1112:39> »
shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
(but that was allready mentioned )

Not so close anymore if he initiates a few times, raised magic and learns distance strike...
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« Reply #86 on: <09-13-10/1343:14> »
shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
(but that was allready mentioned )

Not so close anymore if he initiates a few times, raised magic and learns distance strike...
I think it's gonna take more than that to make him match the range of a Panther.  ;)

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« Reply #87 on: <09-13-10/1351:13> »
shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
(but that was allready mentioned )

Not so close anymore if he initiates a few times, raised magic and learns distance strike...
I think it's gonna take more than that to make him match the range of a Panther.  ;)
Even so a fist that can strike at a distance greater than arm's length is always a good thing. NOw to get one to hit around corners! ;D
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« Reply #88 on: <09-14-10/0031:25> »
shuoldn't that be "up close?" after all a punch doesn't quite have the range of a panther.
(but that was allready mentioned )

Not so close anymore if he initiates a few times, raised magic and learns distance strike...
I think it's gonna take more than that to make him match the range of a Panther.  ;)

True, but I'd prefer an undetectable Panther cannon substitude with less range over a large weapon which gets me hunted down by SWAT teams anytime :)
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« Reply #89 on: <09-14-10/0605:50> »
I'll take C. Both for the win Pat. The Panther when you need to make a big statement & that ranged punch when you're just looking to knock someone's block off their body! ;D
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