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« Reply #30 on: <07-08-14/1521:41> »
"Blanket attack" refers to attacking everyone, rather than a specific target.  You essentially said that every single person involved with the book should be ashamed.

No, I very specifically did not.  I almost said the opposite.  Please re-read. 

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« Reply #31 on: <07-08-14/1523:41> »
Guys, could you just agree to disagree and drop it, please?
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« Reply #32 on: <07-08-14/1527:47> »
Guys, could you just agree to disagree and drop it, please?
Seriously, this.  While the defense is appreciated, it's unnecessary.  It's okay, guys. 

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« Reply #33 on: <07-08-14/1647:28> »
So while Patrick is about, seeing as Light as a spell element didn't make the cut for the SG, any chance it may be coming in an Infected piece down the road? :)

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« Reply #34 on: <07-08-14/1657:24> »
So while Patrick is about, seeing as Light as a spell element didn't make the cut for the SG, any chance it may be coming in an Infected piece down the road? :)

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It's always a possibility, but I'm not positive at the moment.
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« Reply #35 on: <07-08-14/1717:04> »
So while Patrick is about, seeing as Light as a spell element didn't make the cut for the SG, any chance it may be coming in an Infected piece down the road? :)

Tan[Infected], Sunburn[Infected], Crispy[Infected]
It's always a possibility, but I'm not positive at the moment.
Well one can hope.  8)

In the meantime, gotta deliver this truckload of SPF360 before dawn.
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« Reply #36 on: <07-08-14/1728:46> »
Well one can hope.  8)

In the meantime, gotta deliver this truckload of SPF360 before dawn.
Have fun with that. :)
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« Reply #37 on: <07-09-14/1059:06> »
The problem is that there are currently three threads about this same topic.  And one of them has actually gotten some attention from Critias, who clarified the whole thing and gave a lot of valuable insight.  Insight that, had you read it, would have (hopefully) prevented you from making the assumption that you know what's going on at Catalyst.

Frankly, it doesn't matter what's going on at Catalyst nor that Critias implied it was a problem higher up the chain of command.  The result is still the result, and that result is a very poorly put together book.  No amount of insight makes the published product any better, nor does your obvious personal dislike of Prometheus or unnecessarily hostile tone with him.
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« Reply #38 on: <07-09-14/1124:27> »
Man, I'm really disliking supplements for SR 5e so far.   Editing errors aside it seems like there is much less content than previous editions for way more money.  Personally, I don't mind paying extra money but I want to get my money's worth. 

Off the top of my head I have these issues with the Street Grimoire:

1)  Writing Formulae.  This was one of the main reasons why I wanted the book.  I wonder if the Matrix book will not have writing your own programs.  It's sad because the book talks about everyone designing spell formulae throughout the book.  The Core book mentions you use Arcana to write formulae and there are rules for writing spirit formulae but what about spells and foci?
2)  Cost Differences with similar Adept Powers.  This has been discussed elsewhere.
3)  The Reagent section and the refined and radical qualities seems to have little purpose at all.  What's the point of orichalcum?  Can you use these things in normal spellcasting? 
4)  I was disappointed in the number of qualities available.

It's really sad because I absolutely love Shadowrun.  But it's almost getting to the point where I'm going to stop buying their products and just make up anything I'm lacking. 

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« Reply #39 on: <07-09-14/1322:45> »
Sorry to chime in but imho Sir_Prometheus is pretty much being attacked for no reason. Namikaze is clearly in defensive mode to protect people he cares for and is not viewing the original review fairly. Prometheus has 100% justification to be unsatisfied with the book and come here to state his opinions. I don't think he made a personal attack against anyone in particular. Bottom line is this: If a book is released with very poor balance and an enormous amount of errors, people are going to be upset. As for me, I have not yet read the book.
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« Reply #40 on: <07-09-14/1534:09> »
Sorry to chime in but imho Sir_Prometheus is pretty much being attacked for no reason. Namikaze is clearly in defensive mode to protect people he cares for and is not viewing the original review fairly.

It's not even just for expressing this particular (commonly held) opinion.  At this point Namikaze appears to be following Prometheus from thread to thread and picking fights over anything he posts, even when asked to stop. 
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« Reply #41 on: <07-09-14/2004:20> »
     Sir_ Prometheus isn't as pure innocent you seem to think he is.  Perhaps you should be reminded who has had more threads locked?  Sir_ or Namikaze? 
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« Reply #42 on: <07-09-14/2010:48> »
I don't need to be reminded of anything, thanks.
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« Reply #43 on: <07-09-14/2229:07> »
Hey.  Knock it off, guys.  Keep the conversation to Street Grimoire, or take it to another thread.

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« Reply #44 on: <07-11-14/2144:41> »
The Good:
I enjoyed reading the book. I particularly like where traditions went.

I enjoy the new alchemy stuff, I think that whole area is really fun and opens up new creative thinking. I'm just waiting for someone to show up at a table with some magic bullets.

 I like many of the new spells. The new metamagic are cool, and look like good places to go into.

 The story fluff foci focus stuff was good fun.

The system to finally enforce spirit justice is great. Having watched far to many spirits get abused over the course many games I am super pleased to see this.

The Less good:
To begin as with those above I also agree that the editing it lacking and this is serious, the product can't be taken seriously if it doesn't look like the designers took it seriously.

I agree after reviewing the errata forums all the XYZ Way of the Adept Stuff is over costed. The spell stuff bugs me less, generally easier to guess what's intended.

I do think there are issues with ritual stuff that needs to be considered and clarified what is "ritual magic" the skill vs What's Ritual via metamagic, but I like the concepts. I also find it interesting that beyond rituals there was basically nothing concerning Foci. Still no armor focus? Also some clarification of what can be a foci remains needed. (Particularly weapon foci.)

Spirit Pacts, they are discussed but no values for them are given, which were listed at-least in part in the last street magic. (Yeah GM power stuff aside)

There is considerable discussion concerning background count, and how to screw with it, which while interesting I feel like is dangerous waters to play in. A circumstance penalty or advantage are all well and good, having a freak mana storm roll up can be a cool challenge. But there is a fair amount of discussion in here that will make magic unusable, and that as a player makes me nervous.

The how to be a combat mage section was an interesting read, while it discussed a great deal around being a combat mage, I'm not sure it really covered practical spell throwing, and I really feel like it failed to address the importance of counterspelling. I can understand not wanting to put casters into a box, with this is only this method work yatta yatta, but at the same time a newbie isn't going to walk away from this with a whole lot more conception of what to do with their new character. I also found the debate by the board members to be concerning. Do we really want to suggest to player my roll is more expensive so i need a bigger cut of the lewt? I admit that can be very realistic argument to have. But its not something I'd prefer to see at any table I'm sitting at.

Magical societies- There is nearly a whole chapter discussing magical societies. But they fail to cover what they really need to cover. If my PC joins XYZ society, what is the benefit and what is the cost? So pay XXX a month to get X percentage off  initiation xp cost, use of this Y rated ritual space, and maybe Z percentage of instruction/spell research/community out reach etc.  Be subject this set of limitations etc etc.

My last point, is aspected magic.  5th really doesn't like Aspected Magic, the priority system pretty wells screws it down to ineffectiveness, I was hoping this book would take steps to reverse that trend, the last street magic really supported Aspected Magic, but this really doesn't do anything for it.

That's my 2 cents. Carry on!
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