All due respect, Wyrm, I did not make the comparison to Mengele, and I'm not the one who continues to insist that it is a fair comparison.
I'll continue to oppose the view posed by Prometheus until he sees the errors of his ways, simply because I think it is important to highlight just how horrific the actions perpetrated by people like Mengele really were.
If it isn't clear to some of you how close to the heart this subject material is to people such as myself, I'd strongly encourage a class on the Holocaust, as well as one on sensitivity in general.
Oppose away, and though I'm not the first who should say this, it's obviously a hot-button topic for you, so word to the wise -
take it to privacy.I saw the TV miniseries 'Holocaust' as a first-run show; I sat on most of the classes when my mom took a Holocaust course on her way to an MSW. Some of my favorite PCs have had their roots in that hellhole, and one of them
was a Mengele victim, so I did
lots of research on the subject. That doesn't mean that people can't use comparisons, or have stupid ideas or opinions, or that they should be prevented from doing so. But in the case of this kind of thing, a) Fuck Sensitivity, People Need To Be Educated, Violently If Necessary, and b) it's EDUCATION you want, not blowing an off-key cheap tin horn.
So educate. All the rest of us know that Prometheus' opinion - to the extent of 'Mengele!!' - is batshit insanely stupid; we don't need the education. Get some links, throw them at him, and
educate him.Oh, that's great. Now you're going to claim to be more horrified by the holocaust than any of the rest of us?
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I find that entire line of reasoning despicable. You're claiming the right to shut someone else up based upon whatever special status you claim to have (which, I cannot emphasize enough, I really do not want to hear what it is).
Mengele was a monster who ran scientific experiments on people he considered "disposable". I assure you I am aware of the details. Butch's actions are not dissimilar. She subjected innocent people to experiments that led to their death. She didn't reach the same scale, and sure, she had better intentions. If you were the guy who got attacked by the nanite infected ghoul, and died after weeks of pain while your brain tore itself apart, I really doubt you'd care about the distinction.
Mengele ran experiments; they were as scientific as tearing one of the four wings off butterflies to see how they'll fly without them. In short, he did what he did because he thought it would be interesting to do random weird/painful/damaging shit, and see what happens; it's the actions of a bully and a tormentor given free rein as an adult.
They were not scientific. They were torture to see how people survived torture, and because the torture itself was fun.
Butch's actions
are scientific - but
she needs subjects. She has a disease that is
uniquely difficult to detect until it's in its later stages, and even at
that point it's dangerous to try to experiment on its victims, because its perpetrators are targeting
highly dangerous individuals as victims - ones who can fight back VERY effectively.
Butch is fighting bantamweight, while Mengele is the heavyweight champion. Making the comparison on the public boards
past this point is trolling.
So both of you - go fight it out in PMs.
I for one agree generally with firebug and Tenlaar; a few dozen, or a few hundred, eggs have to be cracked in order to make sure that the egg-cracking villian can't kill a billion chicks in the egg. However, as with everything in Shadowrun,
there is a price to be paid. Namikaze, yes, I think that's the end result - whether it's after failing to lose herself in alcohol or some other version of 'getting wasted' in the Shadowrun world, I honestly don't think she'll be able to live with herself after the cure is found and being used. She's a physician, she's having issues
now with what she's doing, but she's steeling herself against it and pushing through her own problems to Get The Job Done.
Once the job is done, though ... to complete her
story in a proper SR manner, suicide it is.