[Triskavanski]

I am one of the first people that suggested buying a data cable for a trode net.  So I am a fervent supporter of the idea that a trode net can provide DNI to wired devices with a data cable.  However, the book doesn't say that this is possible, so it's just a balancing effect.  If someone takes an extremely literal interpretation of the rulebook, there are a LOT of problems.  Add to that the fact that 5th edition is the first edition that some people have ever played, and you can see how these vague, sometime contradictory rules can be a problem.  And TMs and riggers seem to get the shortest sticks of the archetypes.

Actually by doing extreme literal interpretation of the rulebook

While throwbacks are immune to hacking via the wireless Matrix, all devices have a universal access port. Devices can be connected with a data cable with little problem.

Those lines right there, outright state /all/ devices. So unless its otherwise stated (Such as vintage weapons or the contacts) Anything that is a device has the ability to be connected.

[RHat]

I don't know, from the looks of things it looks like Technomancers got hit with a very, very, very long stick - to get hit that hard, you see, there'd have needed to be some serious leverage. 

[Michael Chandra]

I am one of the first people that suggested buying a data cable for a trode net.  So I am a fervent supporter of the idea that a trode net can provide DNI to wired devices with a data cable.  However, the book doesn't say that this is possible, so it's just a balancing effect.  If someone takes an extremely literal interpretation of the rulebook, there are a LOT of problems.

Then they should read the rules better. You can have a DNI through either wired or wireless link, trodes give you a DNI, all devices (unless explicitly stated otherwise) have a dataport, devices can be connected through datacables. I acknowledge it's hard to to find with the physical book, but with the PDF you can find all that by searching for data cable and for direct neural interface. It might not be explicitly stated at a single location, but it's pretty clear from the overall picture, and the intent is made quite clear in the Trodes description as well.

So let's assume trodes net you wired DNI.  You're still screwed when it comes to direct connection.

Not entirely sure, but an actual thing to debate about. Like I said, focusing on incorrect and silly claims detracts from the debate. So the only way to make sure we get to the proper, big, points seems to be to squash the incorrect&silly ones.

[SirValeq]

Were Trodes described in more detail in a previous edition? I can understand how an implanted device can provide a two-way neural interface (allowing for both issuing commands and getting pseudo-sensory feedback), but how does it work in Trode-nets? Reading brain activity is easy, but how do they send data back into the nervous system, if they're not connected to it physically?

[Namikaze]

Were Trodes described in more detail in a previous edition? I can understand how an implanted device can provide a two-way neural interface (allowing for both issuing commands and getting pseudo-sensory feedback), but how does it work in Trode-nets? Reading brain activity is easy, but how do they send data back into the nervous system, if they're not connected to it physically?

Magic.  Or more specifically:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[Xenon]

I thought it was safe to say that Technomancer can interact with all wireless devices naturally.
Without equipment.
That if they own a wireless smargun they can eject it's clip as a free action.
Without wearing trodes or getting a datajack.


Non-technomancers need devices like datajack, trodes, commlinks, sim-modules, VR-gloves, image links etc etc to interact with wireless devices.


But since having DNI is not even a requirement for the direct connection exploit anyway....



For the direct connection you need to connect your cyberdeck (Persona) physically into the device you are hacking.
(or, depending on your reading, enter a host that the wireless device is slaved to)

A technomancer can not connect his Living Persona physically into the device he is hacking
His Living Persona is not formed on any device that you can connect with a wire to another device.

The best house rule I've seen so far is that Technomancers get Skin Link Echo as default
...and that this let them use the direct connection exploit if they physically though a device.



As for a wired device.
SR5 p. 360 Wired security
Wired networks are still vulnerable in many of the same ways as wireless networks. If a wire is breached and tapped anywhere along its length, the signals can be intercepted and retransmitted via wireless anyway.

How do you tap a wire?
With a Data Tap!
(and this is probably the reason why the Technomancer archetype have a Data Tap in his inventory).
Since both devices are now considered wireless the Technomancer can now hack them.


Data Tap can also be used to establish a direct connection exploit
Again require that you physically attach, but this time to the data tap that is breaching the wire.
...and in this case you get a direct connection to both devices the wire is attached to.

but it is unclear if a wired device can be even slaved to a host to begin with
(you can't connect one end of the cable in a physical device and the other in a host... host have no physical location)

[DeathStrobe]

Were Trodes described in more detail in a previous edition? I can understand how an implanted device can provide a two-way neural interface (allowing for both issuing commands and getting pseudo-sensory feedback), but how does it work in Trode-nets? Reading brain activity is easy, but how do they send data back into the nervous system, if they're not connected to it physically?

In SR4, it was ultrasound.  I just started reading the novel 2XS that takes place in 2052, and the narrator says the ones back then runs electricity directly in to your brain.