[DaveDaveDaave]

Just a thought that popped into my mind . Numbers wise it seems  reasonably possible to make a health spell that (I`d suggest it was sustained) would heal "aging damage" taken whilst the spell was in effect. It wouldn`t heal aging allready in place but would prevent such damage while it was sustained?
Is this even in keeping with SR4 themes or just a bit too early in the Mana cycle if at all possible?

[foolofsound]

The Immortal Elves exist. I would say that you could probably sustain an anti-aging spell, though you would have to be careful of wards from then on out. Very long term exposure to large amounts of mana could take a toll also.

[JustADude]

Actually, a Permanent duration Health (or Manipulation) spell to mimic Leonization wouldn't be too far fetched. Maybe -1 calendar year per hit?

[Zilfer]

Actually, a Permanent duration Health (or Manipulation) spell to mimic Leonization wouldn't be too far fetched. Maybe -1 calendar year per hit?

What would the drain value be you think? I'd probably make it kind of high so there was some risk of something going... "wrong"

[JustADude]

Actually, a Permanent duration Health (or Manipulation) spell to mimic Leonization wouldn't be too far fetched. Maybe -1 calendar year per hit?

What would the drain value be you think? I'd probably make it kind of high so there was some risk of something going... "wrong"

Away from books, but it shouldn't be too horrible.

Permanent Duration on a Touch range Physical restorative spell. Minus some Drain for Restricted Target (Willing) and possibly Restricted Effect (Younger only, never older).

[Black]

Only issue would be potential impact on the setting itself.  Currently medical treatments are only available to the rich and powerful, and not without rumoured side effects.

This spell could easily become available to the masses and makes youth much more wide spread, potentially impacting the setting...

I rather leave this as an 'undiscovered' spell or a powerful sacrifice ritual or something similar...

[JustADude]

Oh, definitely something any sane GM would veto, just going over the mechanics of it.

Hmmm, I agree about it fitting best for Blood Magic. Perhaps an Advanced Metamagic (call it "Life Stealing" or something) that has Sacrifice or Canibalism as a prereq. De-ages 1 year per Essence, perhaps.

If nothing else, it's a great excuse to have a first-generation goblinized Ork Blood Adept (Twisted, too, of course) still walking around in prime fighting condition.

[ArkangelWinter]

I actually think it would be much more likely to exist as a Metamagic with preqs, to limit it further. Maybe the character ages only (12-Initiate Grade) months a year. Since it's not as powerful as Dude's suggestion, it need not be a Twisted power, but could still require an expensive or dangerous ritual, like a metaplanar quest.

Edited because Dude said the same thing better.

[foolofsound]

Being constantly inundated with mana isn't exactly a good idea, even if it does extend your life. I'm sure GMs sould come up with much more interesting deterrents than simple bans.

[ArkangelWinter]

Being constantly inundated with mana isn't exactly a good idea, even if it does extend your life. I'm sure GMs sould come up with much more interesting deterrents than simple bans.

Like a Mana Addiction, maybe a few more psychoses. Not to mention the guys after your "secret of immortality", and curious Awakened investigating the aura.

[Shinobi Killfist]

Eh if you go earthdawn like they had a spell or 2 that removed some years, I think they had some hefty reqs though.  And even in the SR setting I think 2e may have been 3e, there was shadowtalk about a human from the middle ages in some magical cult/secret society.  The black council or something. 

[Halancar]

As an healing spell, it would suffer from the 'body reset' problem: by the time you try to 'heal' aging, the body considers it the normal setting so it won't be permanent, you'll have to sustain it.

It might work as a manipulation spell, similar to Makeover, but... I think we would be talking at least Ritual Sorcery here if only from the difficulty of casting it, and with a leader who also happens to have a good Medicine skill.

[JustADude]

As an healing spell, it would suffer from the 'body reset' problem: by the time you try to 'heal' aging, the body considers it the normal setting so it won't be permanent, you'll have to sustain it.

It might work as a manipulation spell, similar to Makeover, but... I think we would be talking at least Ritual Sorcery here if only from the difficulty of casting it, and with a leader who also happens to have a good Medicine skill.

Actually, according to my understanding of human aging, the body's "natural state" is actually most perfectly represented just as we hit full physical maturity somewhere in the mid-20s. All the changes after that are the result of wear and tear from every-day life breaking us down.

Plus, given that Leonization doesn't cost Essence, one could very easily argue that the Health spell would work just fine as a Permanent effect, since the game mechanics seem to consider age reversal to be a "restorative" process, not a "disruption."

[Mirikon]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but I'll drop my .02 nuyen here.

1) In the Earthdawn days, there were spells/rituals that could dramatically slow (or even reverse) aging. However, those spells all required high-level blood magic.

2) Immortal Elves exist, however they are not immortal because of a spell cast on them, but because they have dragon DNA.

[Zilfer]

How do they have dragon DNA? this is the first I've heard of immortal elves.... are they the result of an elf + dragon mating? Sorry to be off topic just curious.

Back on topic, if it's 12-intiaite grade than when you initiate 12 times you'd stop aging correct?