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Anyone else feel like Netcat is horrendously two dimensional?

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Lorebane24

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« on: <07-04-15/0813:22> »
This is just something that's really been bugging me as I read more rulebooks.  Every time I see Netcat show up in a short fiction or in the little blurbs they have throughout the chapters, she seems like she is completely defined by three traits: technomancer, woman, mother.  She never seems to get much of a personality beyond that, except for a habit of taking out her anger on whatever is nearby, and to me seems like one of the most unlikeable characters on Jackpoint.  Am I alone in this?
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« Reply #1 on: <07-04-15/0854:22> »
As versus the other jackpointers?    :P

It is hard to really tell a lot just from snippets, though sometimes things do trickle down.

Look at Kane, early editions he was just a pirate, albeit a very flash and well known one, butting heads with Gingerbread Man and Gang for top spotlight.
Really beyond over the top piracy what dimensions/personality of his character were really known beyond being defined by three traits : pirate, man, showboater?

It was only recently (2011 publication of Street Legends supplemental) when dev/grrl got the drop on him and then put up some more data about him on the JP.

And let's not even talk about that 'Bull' guy. ;) 

Just teasing Bull, you knows we loves ya.  ;D

Yes, Netcat can come across a bit abrasive and has many faults, but is she the worse JPer character-wise?  I can probably think of a few, but YMMV.

On a related note: have you read 'Dark Resonance' as Netcat gets a spot in there, though it may just reaffirm your position depending on how you receive it...

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« Reply #2 on: <07-04-15/0900:05> »
Look at Kane, early editions he was just a pirate, albeit a very flash and well known one, butting heads with Gingerbread Man and Gang for top spotlight.
Really beyond over the top piracy what dimensions/personality of his character were really known beyond being defined by three traits : pirate, man, showboater?

Not strictly correct...

Kane's reasons for shadowrunning (i.e. Kat being captured, Lockheed denying culpability) were first unveiled back in the Shadowrun Companion for 2nd Edition, and that was back in 1996.
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« Reply #3 on: <07-04-15/0913:10> »
I stand corrected, missed that piece though back then I read more of the crunch than fluff. :)



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« Reply #4 on: <07-04-15/0924:38> »
Netcat *used* to have another trait or two, but they've sorta been lost over time. Honestly, you have to be careful not to 'Flanderize' any of the JackPointers, since most just step in when it's their area of expertise, drop a small bit, then move on. As our *only* Technomancer, Netcat gets all those spots, and her ongoing relationship with Slamm-0! eats up others. (She more wrangles him than talks about the kid, tho.)

One thing's for sure: She needs a hobby. She needs *something* else to talk about from time to time.


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« Reply #5 on: <07-04-15/1003:04> »
I have a strong dislike of Netcat, ever since 4e her short story in Runner's Companion. It actually makes me root for Clockwork over her and Slamm-O. Though she is not by far my least favorite Jackpointer. That dubious honor belongs to Haze.

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« Reply #6 on: <07-04-15/1042:19> »
I confess that Haze is my slap-monkey. He's generally the most odious person on Jackpoint in my head, and that's saying a lot. Everyone has different  JackPointers that they like, or dislike, and some use certain ones more than the rest. Bull managed to salvage /dev/grrl and turn her into an awesomely neat character, for instance, while I think I'm the only one who really likes Icarus. Kane is, well, Kane, and Plan 9 is Plan 9. And Plan 10. :D

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« Reply #7 on: <07-04-15/1137:00> »
One thing's for sure: She needs a hobby. She needs *something* else to talk about from time to time.
Well, she can always look for whoever wrote that fanfic with a toaster...


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« Reply #8 on: <07-05-15/0322:03> »
she seems like she is completely defined by three traits: technomancer, woman, mother.

That's 3 right there... or do you mean she's not a fully flesh out character with her own trilogy?

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« Reply #9 on: <07-05-15/1626:49> »
Netcat *used* to have another trait or two, but they've sorta been lost over time. Honestly, you have to be careful not to 'Flanderize' any of the JackPointers, since most just step in when it's their area of expertise, drop a small bit, then move on. As our *only* Technomancer, Netcat gets all those spots, and her ongoing relationship with Slamm-0! eats up others. (She more wrangles him than talks about the kid, tho.)

One thing's for sure: She needs a hobby. She needs *something* else to talk about from time to time.

Given that she's shown up to deflect attention from the Technomagicians in the last two editions I think she might have some group strictures against talking about her hobbies.
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« Reply #10 on: <07-05-15/2103:09> »
To be fair, some characters are just there to talk business.  They're professionals, so they pipe in when they have something to contribute, but otherwise don't "chat". 

Others, on the other hand, are more social.  They crack jokes, talk about personal stuff, and pick on each other as well as answering questions or providing insight.

Does this make the latter overall more interesting and more well rounded from our perspective?  Sure.  But it's also realistic.  Look at these forums?  Look through at various regular posters that you see pop up on a regular basis.  How much do you know about them, based solely on their posts?  Does that mean they are one-dimensional people? 

One of the problems is, background stuff is hard to work in.  Everyone on Jackpoint can't be Slamm-0!, Bull, and Kane.  We need the more serious characters like Glitch.  Because as much fun as it is to write our characters bickering or talking about sports or complaining about feeling old or whatever, if everyone did that the sections would become nigh unreadable.  Plus it would cease being as interesting when it does pop up to break the tension. 

The characters pop up occasionally in fiction.  And we did some Street Legends profiles.  Ideally, we could have done a lot more Street Legends products, which would have let us look at each character and find interesting hooks and personality traits for them.  Sadly, while *I* love the books and think they're some of the most fun products we've done, sales-wise tehy didn't do very well.  Which is why we haven't gone back and done more. :(

So that limits us.  Outside of fictional areas, we don't do much with the characters. 

that said, I think you're a bit unfair to Netcat.  I think she's one of the better developed characters.  I don't think she's amazingly interesting, since there's no major flaws (besides marrying Slamm-0!) and no outrageous character traits to her, but that doesn't mean she's not fleshed out.  Just means she's a kind of low-key individual.