[eviltikiman]

So the new expanded creation book is out, and i am simultaneously excited and confused as there are noticeable changes from the last version. Are they deliberate? are they errors? List the ones you have found, and give an answer if you got one.

1: the Formori variant is described as having " increased muscular bulk", yet it is not reflected in their stats, as an increased body or strength. In fact the Body has taken a hit since 4e in which they had Increased Body. Is all that deliberate. I can kind of understand the 4s in the mental stats...kinda as a balancing act and make the variants a trade off though.

2:Naga: i cant help but notice they dont have a movement alteration any more; do they have normal move and swim speed now?

[DeathStrobe]

Oni and Hobgoblins are now very charismatic. Which is kind of weird to say the least.

[Sendaz]

Maybe it will improve Clockwork's chances of getting a date?



Nah.

[MijRai]

2/7 Charisma is still below average, so I'm not too worried...  Plus, how many negative social qualities does he have?  Uncouth for sure... 

[Eneroth]

Sorry if this was stated somewhere else, but is this book planned on coming out in Hard Cover and not just the pdf?  I am one of those old school players, who likes having the book, easier to look things up.  Thanks.

[JM_Hardy]

Yep, hardcovers and limited editions are on their way! Pre-orders now available--the graphic at the end of this blog post lists the various bundles.

Jason H.

[Sir_Prometheus]

Jason, I really wish you would let the .pdf float in the wild long enough for errata to be drawn up before you sent things to the printers.  Might help a bit with quality control.  (this one is better than previous books, though, so that's good)

2/7 Charisma is still below average, so I'm not too worried...  Plus, how many negative social qualities does he have?  Uncouth for sure... 

Huh?  No, it's not.  Normal human range is 1/6.  This is +1.

Do remember than charisma is supposed to represent force of personality, not pure likability.  For instance, you use it to intimidate, too. 

On the original subject, the thing that got me is that the section of shapeshifters doesn't mention regeneration or vulnerability/allergy to silver in any way.    Not to mention that they have them, or don't have them (which would be new) or that you had to buy regeneration similar to the Infected.  Surely this is a mistake? 

[JM_Hardy]

It's better to put errata in the errata forum so it can be tracked. Thanks!

Jason H.

[MijRai]

Jason, I really wish you would let the .pdf float in the wild long enough for errata to be drawn up before you sent things to the printers.  Might help a bit with quality control.  (this one is better than previous books, though, so that's good)

2/7 Charisma is still below average, so I'm not too worried...  Plus, how many negative social qualities does he have?  Uncouth for sure... 

Huh?  No, it's not.  Normal human range is 1/6.  This is +1.

Do remember than charisma is supposed to represent force of personality, not pure likability.  For instance, you use it to intimidate, too. 

On the original subject, the thing that got me is that the section of shapeshifters doesn't mention regeneration or vulnerability/allergy to silver in any way.    Not to mention that they have them, or don't have them (which would be new) or that you had to buy regeneration similar to the Infected.  Surely this is a mistake?

And an 'average' attribute is at 3 (not the range,  which I never mentioned).  Which means 2 points in an attribute is still below average. 

[Novocrane]

Two is below average if you take a survey of 100 metahumans, but it's high for a minimum on a metatype that doesn't play well with others.

[CanRay]

Charisma doesn't mean likeable.  It can mean force of personality, which I doubt any of us would accuse Clockwork of lacking. 

[Novocrane]

Charisma is your force of personality, the persuasiveness and charm you can call on to get people to do what you want without having to go to the trouble of pulling a gun on them

 

We agree he's not charming, but you seem to be putting forward the position that Clockwork is persuasive. Who has he persuaded? If you can't support that, where has he brought his force of personality to bear in order to get his own way?

[All4BigGuns]

Charisma is your force of personality, the persuasiveness and charm you can call on to get people to do what you want without having to go to the trouble of pulling a gun on them

 

We agree he's not charming, but you seem to be putting forward the position that Clockwork is persuasive. Who has he persuaded? If you can't support that, where has he brought his force of personality to bear in order to get his own way?

Persuasive is all in skill. A high Charisma means a forceful personality, and even if one isn't very persuasive, intimidating or whatever, they can still have a forceful personality.

[Novocrane]

Shall I take that as a, "He hasn't." from you, A4? Are there other / better hobgoblins to use as examples?

[8-bit]

Shall I take that as a, "He hasn't." from you, A4? Are there other / better hobgoblins to use as examples?

There sure are better examples. They just aren't important and no one cares about them. It's harsh, but that's life.