[HiddenBoss]

well as far as i can tell, Yue stop login in on about the time it got to page 7 so who knows if it all got seen.

I think we all said are bit about now so all we can do is just hope and wait..

And I not feeling hopeful about all this right now.

[Finstersang]

You don´t have to login to see the thread, so new suggestions might still be heard. Also, if the TM book turns out to be another crapshot or is secretly abandoned, we´d still have a lot of ideas for houserules. So please, don´t hold back if you have any ideas left.

But yeah, because of impressions like this, it would be incredibly helpfull if someone official steps out of the ivory tower once every other month to tell the peasants what´s up -.-

[HiddenBoss]

Well we know the book being made

http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/upcoming

it being call "Untitled Technomancer E-book"

Slow clap for the name btw.

[Sendaz]

Well we know the book being made

http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/upcoming

it being call "Untitled Technomancer E-book"

Slow clap for the name btw.

the critter book is the same, the name will come out closer to the time

Would have been better if the had used [REDACTED] or [CENSORED] instead of untitled so people would all be trying to guess what the title was.

[Finstersang]

Echoes and Mirages was the title I saw flying around in the german community a few months ago. Sounds pretty cool IMO, but who knows what name will be the final pick.

On another note: What is a Sourcebook Expansion in comparison to a Core Expansion like Rigger 5?
Is it one of these 75% Fluff - 25% Crunch Expansions like Hard Targets? I wouldn´t mind, since I think TM´s are neglected fluff-wise just as well. But at least 30+ Pages of serious, usable Crunch (+ maybe some bold fixes for the existing concepts) should be the bare minimum if they really want to make this Archetype work again.

[firebug]

Well we know the book being made

http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/upcoming

it being call "Untitled Technomancer E-book"

Slow clap for the name btw.

I have a smile like a little orphan boy with a broken leg being told he's been adopted by a billionaire.

[ShadowMaster]

Echoes and Mirages was the title I saw flying around in the german community a few months ago. Sounds pretty cool IMO, but who knows what name will be the final pick.

On another note: What is a Sourcebook Expansion in comparison to a Core Expansion like Rigger 5?
Is it one of these 75% Fluff - 25% Crunch Expansions like Hard Targets? I wouldn´t mind, since I think TM´s are neglected fluff-wise just as well. But at least 30+ Pages of serious, usable Crunch (+ maybe some bold fixes for the existing concepts) should be the bare minimum if they really want to make this Archetype work again.

I think the major difference is that the core expansions have all been in pdf and paper and the source book expansions have been in pdf only.

[Crimsondude]

Well we know the book being made

http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/upcoming

it being call "Untitled Technomancer E-book"

Slow clap for the name btw.

the critter book is the same, the name will come out closer to the time

Would have been better if the had used [REDACTED] or [CENSORED] instead of untitled so people would all be trying to guess what the title was.

I have no particular use for games when it comes to running the tumblr.

There will be descriptions, but I ran out of time last night and I code the HTML by hand. I get very particular.

Echoes and Mirages was the title I saw flying around in the german community a few months ago. Sounds pretty cool IMO, but who knows what name will be the final pick.

I think I've only seen this name mentioned here.

On another note: What is a Sourcebook Expansion in comparison to a Core Expansion like Rigger 5?
Is it one of these 75% Fluff - 25% Crunch Expansions like Hard Targets? I wouldn´t mind, since I think TM´s are neglected fluff-wise just as well. But at least 30+ Pages of serious, usable Crunch (+ maybe some bold fixes for the existing concepts) should be the bare minimum if they really want to make this Archetype work again.

These would be books like Digital Grimoire, Shadow Spells, the whole Para- line (including Aetherology) and splatbooks (Gun Heaven 1–3, the vehicle books). Basically, it's a nice euphemism for "miscellaneous."

There's no formal name for certain types of books, but the closest I could come to what they are is sourcebook expansions—e-books that expand on sourcebook material from both core rulebook expansions and other sourcebooks (deep shadows, plot and setting books, etc.). But I'm not putting the word "splatbook" on something that has Catalyst's imprimatur on it. I may just call them Sourcebooks.

The TM handbook was listed as a core expansion on http://shadowrun.tumblr.com/tags, but I'm not sure whether it is or isn't since Data Trails is the Matrix core expansion. In the end, it will be whatever Jason says it will be.

[Intro]

One way I think that TMs could be differentiated from deckers would be to leverage resources in different ways. One option is Overwatch Score. Deckers build OS up gradually based on opponents' hits. Perhaps, since Complex Forms are sort of alien to the normal functioning of the Matrix, they build it up more rapidly in return for more powerful effects? What if something like Puppeteer caused much less Drain, but boosted your OS score by a lot? So a decker would gradually build up marks, etc., and could stay in the system for a while, but a TM would just tie the system in knots rapidly, then have to reboot their living persona and spend a Combat Turn in the meat?

To avoid having to recost everything that exists, it could be an option that's kind of the reverse of Reckless Spellcasting: take -3 Drain (or whatever) in exchange for boosting OS by [some number].

[HiddenBoss]

Just let us know when we got some more info on the book

[Crimsondude]

Just let us know when we got some more info on the book

That's the plan.

[HiddenBoss]

Turns out that Amy left the position back in August, just got to hope that they did look at our ideas.


link

edit 22/05/16 may not been the same amy, think amy move to reddit now.

[dragrubis]

Ok i think forum is good too speak but not to list all ideas every one have.

Does any one have somthing like a wiki or a google doc to make the list by type of ideas?

We have main line (chapters of work) :
- Full rewrite (but how?)
- Balancing to have a mage sized power in the matrix (lesser rewrite of existing)
- Make them really different from decker
- Streams
- Paragon
- Matrix foci chips
- Guilds
- Dronomancing
- Life modules.
- More
- Specifics Quality
- Lesser Echoes (emulate tools with a low cost with something that doesn't require submersion)

Are you ok to start with it on a Google doc file?
Here one beginning if you are ok, comment it
If you want to modify it send me your email
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DZQoG7wae3TYBCr9vIhMAJFDQi9UcslaZWRecPU6R6g/edit?usp=sharing


Does officials are ok with this kind of tool?

[Dinendae]

Life modules. Technomancers seriously need some more life module choices.

[Finstersang]

Some thoughts on Echoes:

First: The idea of making some Echoes mimick/emulate the effects of certain augmentations seems pretty solid, but unless it´s something as powerfull and expensive as a Trauma Damper, there should some bonus to it the augmentation wouldn´t normally offer, maybe counterbalanced with some drawbacks when using that additional Bonus. You could also combine Effects the Effects of "lesser", more gimmicky augmentations. When it comes to the wireless capabilities of Augmentations, you could instead force the TM to have his/her Living Persona connected to the Matrix and prone to attacks. Also, you could add some rewarding synergy effects when certain Echoes are combined.

Examples:

• Resonance Smartlink: Just mimicking the Smartlink would be too low of a return. You could additonally scale the wireless Dicepool Bonus with the Submersion Grade, allow the TM to make some kind of Sensor Targeting Test, or have the Weapon also profit from the effects of a Laser Range Finder and an Airburst-Link, to name a few ideas.
  
• Neural Router: The TM version of the Internal Router, but with a twist: Since TM´s won´t get cybered that often, they can use the effect for augmentation-emulating Echoes as well. Even better, in combination with a skinlink, they can also use it on closely worn gear!
  
• Bio-Digital Translation: An example for a "compound Echo". By learning how to translate the body´s own sensorial and biological Information into digital data, the TM can emulate the effects of an implanted Biomonitor, Simrig and a Touch Link. Since this would basically turn the TM into a biological Sensor Array, you could even allow the TM to make Perception Tests with the Electronic Warfare skill. Fluff-wise, BDT could serve as a prerequisite for some advanced Echoes.
  
• Deep Dreaming: Emulates the Effect of a Sleep Regulator. Additionally, it should grant some bonuses during a deep dive.
  
• Biowire and Acceleration (aka. Resonance Skillwires and Resonance Wired Reflexes). Already mentioned those before. 4th Ed. had them and they should definitely come back. An additional enhancment for the Biowires could be an Echo that allows the TM to connect to a kind of "Resonance Skillsoft Network" located in the resonance realms.
  

Second: Since many basic functions for TMs are hidden in Echoes, offer some ways to get the effects of at least 1 or 2 of them (like Skinlink, MMI...) at Chargen.

Some possibilites:

• Granting the effect of some Echoes as benefits of Paragons.
• Having certain Resonance streams lack some "baseline TM" benefits or suffer additonal disadvantages, like having access only to AR or VR, not being able to compile or register certain Sprites (or even any Sprites at all) or performing certain Matrix Actions, taking some percantages of Matrix Damage as physical Damage instead of Stun etc. Some "Dronomancer" Streams might even have a Living Persona that looks more like a RCC than a Deck! To these streams, you could grant the effect of some Echoes in return.
  
• When all else fails: At least add a 10 Karma Quality for the Effect of one non-advanced Echo.