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Title: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: on (23:26:26/11-14-17)
How was everyone's break?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: GhostGirl on (23:49:50/11-14-17)
Not bad, managed to not shoot anyone. Yours?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (00:07:41/11-15-17)
We're back!


(For another month or two, at least.)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: AJCarrington on (08:02:32/11-15-17)
Hopefully a little longer this time ::)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Ragin Cajun on (19:10:54/11-15-17)
It's always nice to see the site working again.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Wakshaani on (20:59:22/11-15-17)
Amen to that. I neeeeeds my Srun fix!
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Slipperychicken on (22:57:03/11-15-17)
Naturally, this site died right when I needed to make a PC for a campaign.

My break was decent. It's nice to have all the smart people here to rely on, though.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (08:35:14/11-16-17)
"Holy ****, the forums are back."
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: AJCarrington on (16:17:07/11-27-17)
Very happy to see things back up and running. :)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: tequila on (17:04:54/11-27-17)
Thank goodness.  I was having to do work!  8)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: cantrip on (18:07:06/11-27-17)
Hooray!

Only saw one critical glitch over the holiday --- unfortunately they were headed down a flight of stairs on ship in a storm.  ;D  I had nothing to do with that one!!! <Evil GM Grin>
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Quatar on (18:19:37/11-27-17)
And it only took about two weeks...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Reaver on (18:32:47/11-27-17)
yea, these forum crashes are a PITA... I think the server needs some fresh water and food in its cage..
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Senko on (22:18:10/11-27-17)
It has been awhile this time.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (00:44:15/11-28-17)
So, anyone want to make a betting pool on how long until the next outage?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Reaver on (03:25:53/11-28-17)
only if it pays out  in beer and cookies. (Its the Christmas season after all!)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: SpellBinder on (12:56:49/11-28-17)
So, anyone want to make a betting pool on how long until the next outage?
If I didn't know better I'd swear someone was trying to make it indefinite.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Spooky on (15:11:56/11-28-17)
AJ, you gotta stop going on vacation. The kids wreck the house when you're not here....

 ;D
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: FastJack on (20:52:45/11-28-17)
Things have never been the same since my mind went wandering...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Ragin Cajun on (21:01:36/11-28-17)
Things have never been the same since my mind went wandering...

Dang it Jack! You had one job! ;D
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Slipperychicken on (14:59:30/11-29-17)
Back again? I'm betting the next outage will take just one week to recover from.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (16:38:16/11-29-17)
Guess who's back. Back again. Forum's back. Tell a friend.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Wakshaani on (23:14:16/11-29-17)
I feel like I'm inside "There's a monster at the end of this book".

We will tie ropes around the website, that way it will no

*CRASH*

... That ... did not work. Okay! This time, using thick metal chains, we wil-

*CRASH*

Oh my. Well, now, with Brick 2.0, we're CERTAIN to stay open for at lea-

*CRASH*

... has anyone ever told you that you are very strong?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Duellist_D on (23:23:16/11-29-17)
So, anyone want to make a betting pool on how long until the next outage?
Less than a month probably  ::)
Happy if proven wrong...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: adzling on (12:06:37/11-30-17)
it's been going down about once a week so my bet is within 7 days the script kiddies will be killing the server via the same unpatched exploits.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Nebulous on (12:46:28/11-30-17)
We just need to keep AI's and dissonance technomancers from touching the code.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (18:50:58/12-01-17)
*sigh*
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: on (21:36:54/12-01-17)
These poor hamsters...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (01:11:01/12-02-17)
So, odds on the forum staying up until after Christmas?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Slipperychicken on (02:09:20/12-02-17)
So, odds on the forum staying up until after Christmas?

You mean uptime in one continuous stretch, or it still existing at all after that point?

I think we have to give the decision-makers time to come back from vacation before they pull the plug.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: legionof1 on (02:18:18/12-02-17)
One can hope whatever is causing the forum seizures take a holiday too.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: AJCarrington on (11:05:30/12-02-17)
The forums came back up a lot quicker this time round and I'm told that the "web guys" are diving in to this to figure out what the issue is.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Reaver on (18:48:24/12-03-17)
Glad to hear that the Server Hamster is getting a vet check up :P
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Senko on (20:42:37/12-03-17)
@Reaver
I'm now picturing the emergency power supply from the game Rex Nebula which was a hamster running in a wheel to power his spaceship.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (07:48:34/12-13-17)
*sigh*
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (09:23:43/12-13-17)
OK, forget the betting pool on whether the forums will be up for Christmas. How about a pool to see how many outages we have between now and then?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Jack_Spade on (09:46:13/12-13-17)
My bet:

1

Fixed sometime next year.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Beta on (12:24:19/12-13-17)
A lot of people thought that the statement in Data Trails that nobody know how Hosts fundamentally work to be odd, that surely all the corporations in the SR world would not build their entire structures around something that they don't understand the working of.

But I'm beginning to feel that this is just a reflection of Catalysts experience with web pages ...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Spooky on (13:26:13/12-13-17)
Think you that a better betting pool will be how many days the forums are down for the rest of the year? My bid is 5.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: tequila on (17:28:55/12-13-17)
Let's do the time warp agaaaaaaaaaaain!
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Wakshaani on (19:31:32/12-13-17)
Well, you know, we're a wholly-owned subsidiary of NeoNET, so...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Carmody on (14:16:11/12-15-17)
Aaaaand down and up again  :-X
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Prime Mover on (15:35:17/12-15-17)
Hey the forums are ba
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kiirnodel on (16:59:11/12-15-17)
I think these outtages are being caused by database errors with the site infrastructure. Unlike the attacks, back when we first started having major problems, these ones are displaying differently.

When it is down, if I try to connect from a computer I normally use to connect (cookies saying I should be logged in), I get a one line error message. No page loading whatsoever.
But when I try to connect from a fresh device, the forum structures load, but it says something about a database error.

I guess I'm just pointing out that we have even more reason that these forums need to be overhauled...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Spooky on (17:02:27/12-15-17)
Is that again, or still, Kiirnodel?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kiirnodel on (17:35:01/12-15-17)
Hmmm? I'm not positive (I don't really know anything about setting up or maintaining a website or forum), but I think the times we've had outtages these last couple of months it has been the same problem reoccurring. I don't know what triggers it, though.

Several months ago, the forums were hacked and out-right attacked (they even altered the page to boast their attack on the site. But that isn't what we're seeing now, I don't think the site is going down because of malicious action.

However, it is possible the two are related. The attack(s) may be the underlying cause of the frequent crashes we're seeing now. Like I said, I don't know how it all works exactly.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Reaver on (19:22:04/12-15-17)
Yea, their appears to be a corrupted file or structure to the webpage that is causing the crash for the last few times.

I think it may be just a case of of outdated software, as I have noticed that many of the other sites I visit have all done an update to their page interfaces over the last few months...

Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kiirnodel on (19:27:02/12-15-17)
Whereas these forums did some sort of roll-back after the second hack: as indicated by the Banner's reversion to the 4e logo and the "News" referring to old books.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: on (21:11:48/12-15-17)
Yes?  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: AJCarrington on (19:33:54/12-27-17)
And we seem to be back again.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: SpellBinder on (02:32:29/12-28-17)
But for how long?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: PiXeL01 on (05:26:57/12-28-17)
So ... do a complete reconstruction without using backup’d files?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (08:50:50/12-28-17)
Think you that a better betting pool will be how many days the forums are down for the rest of the year? My bid is 5.

Well this was way too optimistic. Lol.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Pronoob241 on (11:53:00/12-28-17)
Obviously its some deckhead screwing about with an Azteca 200.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Quatar on (12:26:47/12-28-17)
Three days left till the end of the year. Will the forum go down again before then?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kesendeja on (14:33:27/12-28-17)
Three days left till the end of the year. Will the forum go down again before then?

Yes
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (14:39:51/12-28-17)
Three days left till the end of the year. Will the forum go down again before then?

Yes
The real question is whether it will go down, come back up, and then go down again before then.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Quatar on (21:40:48/12-28-17)
Three days left till the end of the year. Will the forum go down again before then?

Yes
The real question is whether it will go down, come back up, and then go down again before then.
Come back up in less than three days? No way
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Mirikon on (23:56:13/12-28-17)
Three days left till the end of the year. Will the forum go down again before then?

Yes
The real question is whether it will go down, come back up, and then go down again before then.
Come back up in less than three days? No way
Well, it has better odds than a non-petnomancer TM against a decker in... pretty much anything.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Spooky on (17:04:34/01-08-18)
And we're back again, after the first outage of the new year.... ::)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kiirnodel on (17:05:40/01-08-18)
Yea, there appears to be a corrupted file or structure to the webpage that is causing the crash for the last few times.

So, no idea if other people are seeing this message, but I went ahead and wrote it down this time to share (just in case that helps somehow). When the forums have been down the last several times I have been seeing just a single line of text instead of the page loading:

Code: [Select]
Table './shadow_23r98uysdhj/smf_messages' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed
Hope somebody in the higher-ups can do something with that to help fix the problem...
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: AJCarrington on (18:22:20/01-08-18)
That is the same message I get as well.

They ("web guys") have been trying to address the issue, but (obviously), no luck so far.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (13:06:32/01-10-18)
Maybe it is time for some new web guys?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: on (18:40:49/01-10-18)
But that costs money :p
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (09:19:10/01-11-18)
But that costs money :p

They can take it out of what they pay their current web guys.

Or hell, I'm certain there are plenty of fans who would be willing and able to maintain a simple website and forum for free or get paid in product.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: legionof1 on (16:46:25/01-11-18)
snip
Or hell, I'm certain there are plenty of fans who would be willing and able to maintain a simple website and forum for free or get paid in product.
I mean we, the community, already sub for the editing/copy, and PR departments, why not IT too?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: on (16:11:52/01-12-18)
CGL: the people's company. *Where you make your own products*
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (16:57:17/01-12-18)
CGL: the people's company. *Where you make your own products*

They'd probably be better. *glares at non-insect insect spirits in the newest release*
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: FastJack on (17:08:28/01-12-18)
Okay, we can cut it off now.

Like to volunteer for the time to do all this stuff without pay, step forward. No one here is getting paid for the forums, and we do it out of love for the game. If you're more inclined to bad mouth developers and freelancers, you can do it elsewhere. If this thread just continues to be complaints, I can lock it down.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: PMárk on (19:25:07/01-12-18)
Ok, I'm a total layman in technical stuff, but what is the biggest barrier to redoing the forum and updating the webpage. I don't want to make accusations, or being snarky, I just don't understand why a company publishing one of the longest-running, well-known and popular games can't do it, while infinitely smaller companies can do it. Would it really cost that much money?
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: ShadowcatX on (19:25:36/01-12-18)
Excuse me for thinking if it is going to be done it should be done well. And on that topic I will be happy to assist with the forums. Feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Reaver on (19:35:22/01-12-18)
It might not be a case of money, but of people and time. Many people are under the impression Catalyst is some huge company and makes money hand over fist....

In reality, I think the company is actually really small (maybe a half dozen fulltime people) and most of the revenue/assets are tied up in inventory and warehouse space.
Game companies are not multi-million dollar operations anymore as tabletops is a dying industry for many reasons.

Nothing stops someone from opening a fansite forum if they so choose (dumpshock).
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Carmody on (08:57:56/01-13-18)
Is it me or the number of posted messages has been significantly reduced since the forum started to be unstable? (I mean, only taking into account days where the forum is up)
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: FastJack on (09:29:35/01-13-18)
It might not be a case of money, but of people and time. Many people are under the impression Catalyst is some huge company and makes money hand over fist....

In reality, I think the company is actually really small (maybe a half dozen fulltime people) and most of the revenue/assets are tied up in inventory and warehouse space.
Game companies are not multi-million dollar operations anymore as tabletops is a dying industry for many reasons.

Nothing stops someone from opening a fansite forum if they so choose (dumpshock).
Quoted For Truth

Is it me or the number of posted messages has been significantly reduced since the forum started to be unstable? (I mean, only taking into account days where the forum is up)
I'm unsure if the numbers dropping are because of people not coming back, or if it's because of the amount of days we were down. It's true that we've dropped considerably the last two years, but I also know even strong forums sometimes go through cycles of inactivity.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Jack_Spade on (13:53:13/01-13-18)
I can only speak for myself, but the instability of the forum certainly has discouraged my participation over the last two months. Especially the pbp crowd has moved to dumpshock and similar fora.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: farothel on (04:20:01/01-14-18)
I can only speak for myself, but the instability of the forum certainly has discouraged my participation over the last two months. Especially the pbp crowd has moved to dumpshock and similar fora.

I can only agree with this.  I used to post a couple of times a week (sometimes even multiple times per day) but now my last 15 posts have been in the course of six months.

especially for PbPs it's very tricky as they are often quite difficult to keep going as it is.  Add to that the forum being unavailable for some time and it's almost impossible to keep one going.
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Carmody on (06:18:05/01-14-18)
For PbP it is clearly showstopper, however I do not read those parts of the forum, so my feeling does not even take them into account....
Title: Re: Aaaaaaand we're back
Post by: Kiirnodel on (07:33:06/01-14-18)
I'm also not a PbP player, so I can't attest to that part.

I used to use dumpshock more, and I've paid closer attention to the other sources more recently with the outtages. But I feel like these forums are still more active than the dumpshock forums...