just want to chime in myself about painted or not. I have Leviathans and while they are painted out of the box, it is a very basic paint scheme and one that you can and a lot of people do paint over for a custom look. Personally, I have neither the time nor the money to paint minis. The basic paint job looks pretty good, I think, so I leave them be. I think they *might* just go for that: a basic paint job which you could enhance or paint over yourself. Just an idea and one that I think would cater to both the painted and unpainted camps.