Author Topic: Questions: Persona in AR, spot Persona, Hide without Silent mode  (Read 194 times)

SrJohnson

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1) I understand that your Persona icon goes with you in AR mode.
If you are not running in Silent mode, What do the people arround you see of you in AR? Does your Persona icon overlapping over your real/meat body or something like that? (and in AR mode you see a zoo of Persona icons walking for the street)

2) If a decker/technomancer attack a device in AR, what does other people see? does they see you (or your persona icon) attacking (firing rays/hitting the target and everyone around you notes that you are attacking something/someone) or is more subtle like casting a mana spell (the people around you probably doesn't note that you are casting a spell).

3)Is there a way to hide your device/persona icon without using Silent Mode? Because "Hide" Matrix Action works only when you are spotted. Can you use it before of getting spotted or there is something that can do that?

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RiggerBob

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3) You can hide your persona by running silent, which is a simple action without any test (see: Core, p.235). The hide matrix action is only used if you are spotted (via matrix perception test) while already running silent (see: Core, p.240). Remember to get rid of marks on you first, because you automatically spot any icon you have a mark on.

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Icons don't generally overlay on top of a person in meatspace. It would be more akin to the Sim's floating diamond. Something hovering above or beside you. In theory it could cover you in meatspace, but that would be most uncommon.

Cybercombat doesn't have any explicit visual rules. You could just as easily insert any video game combat graphics or fight scene from the Matrix (the movie). This would fill a narrative space instead of a mechanical one. Simply put the rest of the world isnít going to know without a Matrix Perception test.
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The Bald Man

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Cybercombat doesn't have any explicit visual rules. You could just as easily insert any video game combat graphics or fight scene from the Matrix (the movie). This would fill a narrative space instead of a mechanical one. Simply put the rest of the world isnít going to know without a Matrix Perception test.

The Matrix does enforce iconography and the fluff descriptions have pretty dramatic visual queues for data spike.  If you are running silent the mass of humanity on the street will see nothing.  If you aren't then they will get a show if you are slinging around Data Spikes - though that show will be brief (due to matrix initiative). 
Sleaze actions on the other hand wouldn't be noticeable even if you aren't running silent. 

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Fluff and crunch don't always play nice together in 5e and there is a severe disconnect on what you actually see in AR.

For example there is AR fashion that allows you to appear quite different in AR - this is based on an overlay over your real form and likely identical with your persona.
But: You can't use the persona icon to pin-point the position of a person without using a trace action (Otherwise it would be pretty trivial to shoot people through walls).

My interpretation is that personae only align with your physical form when you have line of sight to the person.

A dataspike attack could show itself as graphic glitches in your AR display - just as if your smartphone has a hang up and needs to be rebooted.
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I've always interpreted it as follows:

I'm in AR, my Persona is in the Matrix, visible to those IN the matrix, it follows me along. But as there are some geolocational adjustments, you need to trace to find me.
When you look at me without augmentation, you see meatspace me. When you look at me in AR you see any fun ARO objects i've programmed/bought/whatever that overlay ME
If you look at me in the matrix, you see my persona which is however i wish it to look.

The Bald Man

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I've always interpreted it as follows:

I'm in AR, my Persona is in the Matrix, visible to those IN the matrix, it follows me along. But as there are some geolocational adjustments, you need to trace to find me.
When you look at me without augmentation, you see meatspace me. When you look at me in AR you see any fun ARO objects i've programmed/bought/whatever that overlay ME
If you look at me in the matrix, you see my persona which is however i wish it to look.
Wouldn't all those ARO you mention in AR also be visible from a purely matrix perspective?

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I've always interpreted it as follows:

I'm in AR, my Persona is in the Matrix, visible to those IN the matrix, it follows me along. But as there are some geolocational adjustments, you need to trace to find me.
When you look at me without augmentation, you see meatspace me. When you look at me in AR you see any fun ARO objects i've programmed/bought/whatever that overlay ME
If you look at me in the matrix, you see my persona which is however i wish it to look.
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Wouldn't all those ARO you mention in AR also be visible from a purely matrix perspective?
I would think  that would be wholly dependent on whether I wish them to be or not. The awesome dragon i programmed to sit in my shoulder all game of thrones-ey in AR may not fit with the design of my persona.

The Bald Man

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Not how I interpret it - and we don't have to agree. 

They way I look at it any 'public' ARO is going to be visible to solely matrix viewers.  Public ARO's are the kind of thing you talked about.  Private ARO's might be the rainbow heart you and your partner have overhead so you can find each other in a crowd or the ARO pointing out the incoming security vehicle your rigger is calling out - shared only with your team. 
If your game of thrones dragon is visible to people (with image link) on the street then it would be visible to people on the matrix. 

Officerzan

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1) Your persona never really "goes" with you. If you are logged into the Matrix, the device connecting you is subsumed by your persona. If you are walking down the street while surfing the web, your Persona may be off jumping from host to host.

Just because something is visible in your ARO, doesn't mean it is in VR. The floating settings gear may be (via your commlink's Icon) but there is a distinction between the two. You may have a virtual dragon from V-Pet and like to show it off in your ARO. However maybe your dragon is only acessible in the V-Pets host and the AR representation is just a reward for leveling it to 50. Perhaps you unlock the VR Persona accessory when it reaches 100.

VR and AR look like whatever the Grid, Host, User wants it to (while meeting certain requirements that is, without wrappers). Want your ARO to place a floating geisha mask on your face for the party while your Persona looks like a power ranger? No problem. Want your Persona's looks to overlay your whole meatbody? Go for it. Just keep in mind, even if you overlay yourself with your Persona doesn't mean your Persona is there.

It's all fluff. Visual at that. Go nuts..