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Title: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (11:21:19/08-01-12)
Hi all,

After leaving the 6th World for some months (going back to the 4th to GM an Earthdawn campaign :))) I'm now a bit lost with the current ongoing Metaplots. So I thought it might be handy to have a topic summarizing what's currently going on and what books are talking about it :)

As I missed some books I probably got some things wrong, so if you want to add/correct things, don't hesitate to post below and I'll update the main post accordingly :)


The Hot Stuff:

Court of Shadows: The 2078 eruption of Yellowstone has opened new pathways to the Faery metaplane. The Seelie Court cannot ignore the real world any longer, as adventurers and megaacorps all want a piece of the Fae. So what will the Court do? The same as everybody else -- hire shadowrunners to do their dirty work :) But of course there are many factions within the Court, not to mention the mysterious Unseelie...
Books: Court of Shadows, Anarchy, Book of the Lost

Wild Cards: Once believed to simply be a bunch of cards, the Sixth World Tarot is now on everybody's radar as a major magical artifact. Everybody, from Fae to magical organizations, want to secure the cards, understand their meaning and harness their (mysterious) powers.
Books: Sixth World Tarot, Court of Shadows, the upcoming new magic book, Drawing Destiny, Book of the Lost

Cognitive Fragmentation Disorder: We now know what has been going on with FastJack and a few others -- the CFD virus has been unleashed, allowing e-ghosts to snatch nano-augmented bodies.
Books: Storm Front, Stolen Souls, Splintered State

Boston Lockdown: Blue rain, angry Dragons, and CFD. Add to that the return of a (diminished, almost feral) Deus and the involvement of Ex Pacis, and you see why "powderkeg" is an understatement.
Books: Stolen Souls, Shadowrun Chronicles, Lockdown

Corporate Upheaval: In the wake of the CFD outbreak and what has been happening in Boston, one of the AAA Megacorp is going down. Which one? We don't know yet. But it'll make shockwaves.
Books: Lockdown, Market Panic, Cutting Aces, Book of the Lost

Election Time: Brackhaven has been kicked from the Governor's seat, and there will be elections to choose his successor.
Books: Cutting Aces, Book of the Lost

Revenge of the Bugs: Ares was hoping to use Insect Spirits to create new Biotech. But Damien Knight seems to have lost control of the situation, the Bugs and their servants have infiltrated the megacorp, and Anna Ravenheart and her people have gone underground, preparing for war.
Books: Threats 2, Corporate Intrigue (I think), Street Legends, Sacrificial Lamb (Boardroom Backstabs 2), Cutting Aces

Denver at War: Ghostwalker has decided he's tired of compromising with other nations and has issued an ultimatum, ordering them to leave the Front Range Free Zone. The UCAS and CAS governments have likened this ultimatum as a declaration of war. 
Books: Storm Front, Denver Adventures (Serrated Edge, False Flag)

Not currently in the limelight, but still running in the shadows (pun intended):

The Dragon Lady: Hestaby has lost a lot during the Dragon Civil War and is laying low. But she's a Great Dragon. She's probably working on her come back as we speak.
Books: Storm Front

Vampire Mutations: The HMHVV is mutating. The Infected are getting more sensible to the sun... more feral too. What's going on? Nobody knows... yet. Plus there's Fear The Dark, the shady organization that has been sponsoring a couple of vampire serial-killers.
Books: Storm Front, Sail Away Sweet Sister, some of the new novels

Beware the Nadjas: Nadja Daviar is back, but she seems to have an agenda. And what about her "clones"?
Books: Street Legends, Jet Set

Harlequinade: Harlequin fought Ghostwalker in Denver, and while they both survived they also know how to hold grudges. But what about his darker side Gwynplayne still running free? Also, what exactly happened to Aina Dupree?
Books: Artifacts Unbound, The Clutch of Dragons, Street Legends, Storm Front

Shadow Spirits Unleashed: The Shadow Spirits Oblivion and Maelstrom have been feeding from the Aztlan War and the conflict in Denver and growing in power. By the way, they actually might be Horrors. Oops. Some nasty beings are also stirring in the Metaplanes.
Books: Storm Front, War!, Hazard Pay, Aetherology

Deep Lacuna: A long-lasting alchera, and it seems as though bodies have been recovered from it. Also, something is down there that is disrupting very powerful spirits...
Books: Corporate Enclaves, a mention in Street Magic

Technomancers: Still getting chopped up by MCT and NEONet, and it seems getting shafted by Horizon, too. And Pax is still alive and up to her Dissonant ways. Also, there is a war going on between Resonant and Dissonant sprites in the Realms, and that can't spell anything good for us if it bleeds over into the Matrix at large.
Books: Emergence, Corporate Guide, Corporate Intrigue, Twilight Horizon, Unwired

Smoking Mirror: Oscuro may be out at AZT, but the Smoking Mirror remains, and is pursuing serious nastiness.
Books: Corporate Guide

The Geneva Plot: Something is going on with the Matrix in Geneva.
Books: Emergence, Ghost Cartels, Feral Cities, Corporate Guide


Resolved stuff (but beware the aftershock):

Proposition 23: Prop23 has been passed despite Brackhaven's best efforts to kill it. Gentrification of the Underground is now happening, for better or worse.
Books: Seattle 2072, Missions Season 4, Runner Havens, Splintered State, Seattle Sprawl

Dragon Wars: Things have gone pyrotechnic between Lofwyr and Hestaby. The other Dragons are picking sides (or have schemes of their own), and Metahumanity might end up in the crossfire.
Books: Street Legends, SOTA 2073, Jet Set, Damage Control (Boardroom Backstabs 1), The Clutch of Dragons

Artifacts Race: Everybody went crazy to get a bunch of ancient artifacts. When the dust settled, Aina Dupree was dead (...or is she?), Ghostwalker had disappeared into the Metaplanes (or worse), and Harlequin was "ready to take sides" (and that might be the scariest thing).
Books: Dawn of the Artifacts, Artifacts Unbound, Street Legends Supplemental, The Clutch of Dragons, some of the new novels

Behind the Horizon: There's something fishy going on at Horizon. But what?
Books: Horizon Adventures, The Twilight Horizon, Corporate Intrigue

Aztlan-Amazonian War: The Azzies and Amazonia are at war, and Aztechnology and Horizon are using the opportunity to play games with each other.
Books: WAR!, Feral Cities, Corporate Intrigue, Columbian Subterfuge

Corporate Shenanigans: Evo, Horizon, Mitsuhama, Aztech, Saeder-Krupp, NEONet, and Ares have all gotten some major play recently. Shiawase and Wuxing have been making moves, too. But things have been scary quiet over at Renraku lately... (I'm moving it to "resolved" as it has been superseded by the "Corporate Upheaval" plot, but of course it's Shadowrun, there's always corporate shenanigans going on).
Books: Corporate Guide, Corporate Intrigue, WAR!, Twilight Horizon, Jet Set, Boardroom Backstabs, Conspiracy Theories, Hazard Pay, and more.

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Thanks to Sichr, Mirikon, Zunimancer, and the others posters in the thread :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (11:33:57/08-01-12)
Id add The Shattered Haven.
Not too much on the eyes of the public (well possibly connected somehow to Horizon line) but there is something going on in the resonance realms the world is barely aware off..(Unwired p. 174)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (12:01:44/08-01-12)
Indeed, Sichr's right. There is a war going on between Resonant and Dissonant sprites in the Realms, and that can't spell anything good for us if it bleeds over into the Matrix at large.

And I'll agree that the two scariest things to come out of the Artifacts plot is that Ghostwalker went to the metaplanes on a mission (and has apparently returned), and that Harlequin has decided he needs to take an active role in things again.

Other metaplots:

Seattle Politics - The Ork Rights Committee is trying to have the Underground in Seattle made an official district. Brackhaven and his Humanis allies aren't too pleased with that, natch. Also, I believe 2074 is an election year for Kenny boy.

Aztlan-Amazonian War - The Azzies and Amazonia are at war, and Aztechnology and Horizon are using the opportunity to play games with eachother.

Deep Lacuna - A long-lasting alchera, and it seems as though bodies have been recovered from it. Also, something is down there that is disrupting very powerful spirits...

Technomancers - Still getting chopped up by MCT and NEONet, and it seems getting shafted by Horizon, too. And Pax is still alive and up to her Dissonant ways.

Corporate Shenanigans - Evo, Horizon, Mitsuhama, Aztech, Saeder-Krupp, NEONet, and Ares have all gotten some major play recently. Shiawase and Wuxing have been making moves, too. But things have been scary quiet over at Renraku lately...

Smoking Mirror - Oscuro may be out at AZT, but the Smoking Mirror remains, and is pursuing serious nastiness.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (12:06:13/08-01-12)
Can I get the book that speaks of Harlequin deciding to become active again? That guy scares the crap out of me and I want to know what cities to stay out of.....
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (12:28:08/08-01-12)
Can I get the book that speaks of Harlequin deciding to become active again? That guy scares the crap out of me and I want to know what cities to stay out of.....

It's in Street Legends Supplemental. Harlequin hired runners to get back his old sword and seems to be on the warpath. Against who, that's another question...

Mirikon, do you think you could make a list of (some of) the books where info about these plots can be found? Many thanks :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:45:53/08-01-12)
+1. Interrested in that Deep Lacuna part :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (13:05:18/08-01-12)
Mirikon, do you think you could make a list of (some of) the books where info about these plots can be found? Many thanks :)

Seattle Politics - Seattle 2072, Missions Season 4, Runner Havens

Az-Am War - WAR!, Feral Cities, Corporate Intrigue, Columbian Subterfuge

Deep Lacuna - Corporate Enclaves, a mention in Street Magic

Technomancers - Emergence, Corporate Guide, Corporate Intrigue, Twilight Horizon, Unwired

Corporate Shenanigans - Corporate Guide, Corporate Intrigue, WAR!, Twilight Horizon, Jet Set, Boardroom Backstabs, Conspiracy Theories, Hazard Pay, and more.

Smoking Mirror - Corporate Guide
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (13:14:50/08-01-12)
Thanks, I updated the first post :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (17:11:40/08-01-12)
Can I get the book that speaks of Harlequin deciding to become active again? That guy scares the crap out of me and I want to know what cities to stay out of.....

Nowhere is safe.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (17:25:02/08-01-12)
Titan :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (17:52:38/08-01-12)
Titan :)
Just don't land on Europa. The monolith wouldn't like that.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SpiderWord on (12:49:56/08-02-12)
Awesome post. I was working on something similar. Always nice to see this kind of stuff. Thanks!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (05:23:09/08-03-12)
It would be in the one fraggin book I don't own. Credit card, don't fail me now.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: raben-aas on (08:08:12/08-03-12)
Also to note:

"the one big intercorporate conflict that will destroy one of the Big 10 megacorporations".

aka "the Shadowrun Online plot" :)

http://www.shadowrun.com/forums/topic/which-mega-do-you-think-will-go-down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o40ECnpLjI
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (09:28:11/08-03-12)
Ares or Aztlan.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Malathis on (12:42:17/08-03-12)
Ares or Aztlan.

If it's for the online plot, then I'm going with Ares, fighting half human half insect creatues is more catchy and easier to hook new people on than all of Aztechnology/Aztlan's angles.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: FlyDog on (02:49:44/08-05-12)
SOTA 2073 has got Hestaby's speech about Sirrug tearing up Aztlan.  This is the same dragon who downed an entire jetliner for the hell of it.

Those wyrms gotta butt heads eventually, omae.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (03:15:01/08-05-12)
SOTA 2073 has got Hestaby's speech about Sirrug tearing up Aztlan.  This is the same dragon who downed an entire jetliner for the hell of it.
I thought it was to get one guy on the plane?

Someone that was possibly one of the dragonslayers during the "Down Time", or a Dragon in disguise?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: FlyDog on (03:58:42/08-05-12)
Well, at least he didn't murder the shit out a few hundred people at 40,000 feet for no good reason, eh?



Sirrug....what a fragging guy......  It's like someone crossed Chuck Norris with the honey badger.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (04:03:08/08-05-12)
Well, at least he didn't murder the shit out a few hundred people at 40,000 feet for no good reason, eh?



Sirrug....what a fragging guy......  It's like someone crossed Chuck Norris with the honey badger.


You know...I kind of like Sirrug and Aden. All the other Dragons try to play nice..when these guys do something..
Nice is not in their vocabulary. Frankly, they are important because people get so used to the idea of Dragons
sitting around, teaching classes in college, running their corporations...sometimes, you just gotta be able to show
someone what the Wizwyrms are REALLY Capable of when they set their Will to it, you know?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (05:20:01/08-05-12)
Killing everyone from advancing genetic defects with a whisper and an exertion of will in a a kilometer+ radius isn't exactly my idea of a lesson or warning, that is my idea of starting a war. Nuke him out of the sky, he deserves it.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: JustADude on (05:36:07/08-05-12)
Killing everyone from advancing genetic defects with a whisper and an exertion of will in a a kilometer+ radius isn't exactly my idea of a lesson or warning, that is my idea of starting a war. Nuke him out of the sky, he deserves it.

:o
Are you kidding? Use a nuke, and he might actually get ANGRY!!!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (06:58:40/08-05-12)
Killing everyone from advancing genetic defects with a whisper and an exertion of will in a a kilometer+ radius isn't exactly my idea of a lesson or warning, that is my idea of starting a war. Nuke him out of the sky, he deserves it.

He is not starting it. In his POV, he is fighting the war that was already started by AZT...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (07:06:40/08-05-12)
I'm not sure his wrong in thinking AZT started it.

He just took it to a new level, old school style.  Its obvious that Sirrug does follow the ROE approach.  His more of a WWII Dresden type of fellow.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (07:17:41/08-05-12)
Well, I think in his mind, the proto-Olmec people, not Aztechnology, started this war. Circa 4000 BCE.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (08:44:09/08-05-12)
I think that, ultimately, the fact that Aztechnology provoked the dragons with the execution/sacrifice of a dragon can't really be called the reason for Sirrurg's actions, but more accurately described as the excuse.

The one that the Sixth World calls Sirrurg was known in the Fourth Age as Usun, and to the dragons in both eras as Vast Green. Vast Green is a dragon supremacist. He believes that the dragons should be ruling the other races, or else exterminate them. He's wanted nothing more for the last ten thousand years than to raze (meta)human civilization to the ground and preside over the ashes, but this was forbidden by the Dragon Council, so barring that he'll settle for killing any that he can get away with killing and he's not in the least particular about who.

In the Fourth Age, having been forbidden by the decision of the dragon majority from acting on his desire for dragon domination and being loyal enough to dragonkind to obey it, he hid away in a jungle and ate anyone who came near him. He only took interest in outside events when it seemed that there might be a war in the offing, so he could take the opportunity to attack metahumans in a sanctioned action. In the Sixth World, the authority of the Council seems to have waned somewhat, and he's slipped his leash.

When Sirrurg was helping Hualpa and the Amazonians take over Brazil, there were frequent complaints about him attacking friendly forces and civilians, apparently just because he felt like it. One suspects that he was more interested in the excuse to attack a human nation than in doing Hualpa a favor. When Sirrurg attacked that flight, yes he was hunting one of the downcycle hunters, but he chose to attack at the location where it was all but certain to cause massive loss of innocent life... where, in fact, the one he had set out to kill was the only one with a chance to survive! (If a plane is going down, a mage can use Levitate to escape. Everyone else is screwed.) Now in Aztlan he kills an entire population of unarmed civilians with a sadistic death spell, apparently for no other reason than because he can.

Sirrurg lives by the law of the jungle. Heck, to the natives of the Liaj Jungle where he used to lair, he was the jungle made manifest: uncaring and capricious death, devoid of any delusions of morality or mercy, allowing only the strong to survive. Sirrurg might be currently aimed at Aztlan because of this latest offense, or their use of blood magic, or some tie to ancient Thera. But what he does is what he's wanted to do to all of us since the distant past: wipe us off the face of the Earth. And I'll bet anything that he's having fun.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (09:36:59/08-05-12)
Killing everyone from advancing genetic defects with a whisper and an exertion of will in a a kilometer+ radius isn't exactly my idea of a lesson or warning, that is my idea of starting a war. Nuke him out of the sky, he deserves it.

Note: One can like a villian without liking what he does. I mean, heck...I am a bit of a Lex Luthor fan, and one of the big guys
on the BattleTech forum is a Darkseid fan. Just because someone is "Not a Nice Guy" does not mean one cannot like him.
I like him, not because of some premise that he has some sort of agenda or such that he will stop at nothing to exact...
I like him because he has scared the brown stuff out of Aztechnology so much they are trying to develop an Anti-Dragon
weapon just because of him.

Over the years, we have had too much of Dunkelzahn being a people oriented Dragon, Ghostwalker launching powerful,
surgical strikes, then setting up shop and doing nothing(that we know of), or Lofwyr running a corp, dragons teaching at
colleges, setting up shop in small fiefdoms, etc. What we are seeing now is something that, while horrendous, is a case of,
for once, the story-telling letting Dragons get to...show JUST what they can do. After all, Pobre and Aztechnology/Aztlan
can take it...Nice to see a dragon cutting loose for a change...we have not seen that since Aden and Tehran. Even Ghostwalker's
taking over Denver was restricted and had a feeling of it being "Yeah, look at this awesome power! But, you just know
he is holding back."
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: DarkLloyd on (11:08:09/08-05-12)
The problem is, that there just aren't enough of the Dragons to make them a threat. Not to the world.

The greats are badass, but we Can and Have taken them down. And if Sirrug where to actually be attacking anyone but the most hated country/corp in the world then I'm sure there would be plenty of groups/nations/corps willing to pound him into the ground. It wouldn't take but One maybe two Thor shots to scrub him cleanly off the planet. Or a horizon distance barrage from some warships, or a few wings of attack choppers...... etc etc

We need More dragons for them to be seen as an actual enemy. Right now they are so few they can't threaten the population of the world. Which is why we are fine to see them as "Presidents, CEO's and teachers".

Don't get me wrong, I REALLY  like the dragons. I Want more of them. They need numbers to be able to defend themselves as a species, especially if the aztecs get that portal open for the Horrors early. And I think that may finally be happening, the greats waking up and realizing that the Lesser races now Can wipe them out so they might want to start padding their numbers.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (11:34:25/08-05-12)
The greats are badass, but we Can and Have taken them down.
Out of curiosity, when have metahumans killed a great dragon? Dunkelzhan killed himself, Alamais was believed killed by orbital lasers and turned out to not really be dead, and I can't think of any other greats who've died since the Awakening.

Great dragons can be killed, but it would basically take a military-level quantity of force. And it won't be easy or clean. It's not just their physical capabilities, after all... they're also some of the world's most powerful magicians. They can use invisibility to hide from those Thor shots and cruise missiles until they launch their attacks. They can take metahuman form and mix with the population. I think we'd win eventually, but they'd do a lot of damage on their way down.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (12:30:12/08-05-12)
Firewings being shot down over the SOX is the usual one pointed to, and insid ethe game world the terrorist bombers that got President Dunklezahn (Even if we know better). Nightmaster went down in a deathduel with Lofwyr.

That's it for dead Greats, but a few lesser dragons have been killed here and there.

I'm waiting for Clutch of Dragons myself. I want to see what Arleesh is up to, for instance! She's not as quiet as Sirrug, but pretty close.At least Schwartzkoff is at a public university, so he's *findable*, but... man.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (13:06:37/08-05-12)
The problem is, that there just aren't enough of the Dragons to make them a threat. Not to the world.

Thtas delusional. Two dragons showed the powr to raze whole metroplex (tehran) of to kill tens of thousands with single spell.
There is no moment in 6th world history, that had seen two or more dragons cooperating, or at least attacking with their fuill power at one moment, one place... IMO such attack (and Im talking about two greats) would be equal to power level Oeration Reciprocity had. But Dragons wont stop to do politics...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (13:41:51/08-05-12)
I forgot about Firewings. You're right, fighter jets brought her down, and this was soon after the Awakening, so they didn't have any magical support. But then, Firewings was insane at the time and just kind of rampaging randomly, so she wasn't exactly fighitng smart.


Last we heard, Arleesh was hunting down imps hiding in artifacts. It's possible that her overall mission is to track down and eliminate Horror-tainted items... the behavior of "imps" reminds me of how certain Horrors operate.


Schwartzkopf is kind of the only great dragon who's easy to get ahold of on short notice, since he teaches at a university. This actually kind of dealt me a curve ball when I was GMing recently. ("What are you going to do, show up to his office hours?" "Sure! Why not?" "...You're joking." "I can astrally project there." "...Oh, fine. This should be interesting.")
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (14:08:47/08-05-12)
...
Last we heard, Arleesh was hunting down imps hiding in artifacts. It's possible that her overall mission is to track down and eliminate Horror-tainted items... the behavior of "imps" reminds me of how certain Horrors operate.
...

Book/s on this?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (14:18:40/08-05-12)
I'm told that Arleesh shows up to grab an imp-infested artifact in Bottled Demon, and I've seen vague mentions of Arleesh's mission in Dunkelzhan's Will, Running Wild and probably Dragons of the Sixth World.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: sds on (14:32:14/08-05-12)
One of the runs in Jet Set has conections to Arleesh.

[spoiler]In The Dragn Slayer, the items in question - which house spirits hostile to metahumanity is purposedly sold by Arleesh to metahumans. Just to, you know show them that they need Dragons[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (18:50:31/08-05-12)
Well, back in the Earthdawn days, the Therans killed at least three great dragons, just in Barsaive. And they didn't have things like Thor shots to rely on, just large groups of battle-mages sitting on top of chunks of mountain kept in the air by the blood of slaves.

Which may help give some background as to why the dragons tend to dislike the number one blood magic group on the planet, Aztechnology.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (22:00:07/08-05-12)
Yep. They sent a task force of three behemoths (which are like flying fortresses, in that they were fortresses that freaking flew) to kill three great dragons, because they didn't like that the dragons were teaching people how to build shelters against the Horrors; the Therans had a monopoly on that magic among metahumans, and wanted to everyone to pay them in cash and slaves for the right to survive. The Therans had the most powerful metahuman mages in the world at a time that the manacycle was at its peak, an army that was 10% adepts, and banks of magitek fire cannons. They ambushed and killed two of their targets still in their lairs, but lost one behemoth in the process. The third target--we know him now as Ghostwalker--was gone when they got there, along with all his stuff.

Soon afterwards, three dozen prominent Theran citizens who had agitated for or profited from the strike on the dragons are found mysteriously dead. Ghostwalker was seen perched casually on a statue just outside the Theran capital, just to make sure they knew who did it. Dragons don't fight fair.

The third great dragon to be killed by the Therans was Vasdenjas, who took the hit on purpose to protect the airship Earthdawn during the battle of Skypoint. The alliance of local kingdoms and dragons still destroyed Skypoint, a naval base in the form of a city-sized platform intended for the aforementioned behemoths to land on, and drove the Therans out of the region.

You can kill a great dragon, but it isn't easy or cheap... and God help you if you miss the first shot, because you won't get a second one.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (22:09:39/08-05-12)
Schwartzkopf is kind of the only great dragon who's easy to get ahold of on short notice, since he teaches at a university. This actually kind of dealt me a curve ball when I was GMing recently. ("What are you going to do, show up to his office hours?" "Sure! Why not?" "...You're joking." "I can astrally project there." "...Oh, fine. This should be interesting.")

...

I like your group. Have a +1 by connectivity. :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (00:08:52/08-06-12)
Ghostwalker was seen perched casually on a statue just outside the Theran capital, just to make sure they knew who did it.

Not just a statue. The Sphynx.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (00:30:28/08-06-12)
Yeah, I didn't want to go off on a tangent about what the Theran Sphinx was, so I just left it at "statue." The important part was that GW made it clear that he was responsible and that as far as he was concerned, penetrating Theran territory ain't nothing but a thing, but that particular choice of perch had a certain symbolic weight.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (01:45:19/08-06-12)
And now...what was that Theran Sphinx? :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (02:37:07/08-06-12)
I had a feeling that was coming.  :)

Working from memory here 'cause I'm away from my books, so hopefully I won't flub any details.

Basically, one of the founders of Thera hadn't liked how things had gone from "Let's form a center of learning to translate the Books of Harrow so the world can prepare for this coming disaster!" to "Let's use our knowledge of how to protect against the Horrors to force everyone to swear fealty to us to survive and run our ubermagic on the blood of slaves they send us and CONQUER THE WORLD!" He finally reached his limit when he heard the rumors going around that the ruler of Thera might soon drop the pretense and change his title from "First Governor" to "Emperor". So after calling them all out on their drek, he had a bunch of earth elementals build a massive statue of a sphinx glaring at the capital city, then he and elementals all merged themselves with the Sphinx. The Therans feared that he was still watching them from wthin the Sphinx, waiting for them to go too far, and if they did then the Sphinx would come to life and punish them for their hubris. And since then, no First Governor has dared to call himself Emperor.

So Icewing (the name of Ghostwalker in that era) being perched on the Sphinx of all things was either a reminder of how corrupt the Therans had become and that their unchecked ambition would have consequences... or, if the Sphinx really is capable of coming to life, indicated that Icewing's retaliatory strikes had the tacit approval of the last uncorrupted founding father of Thera. Either way, symbolically quite potent. The Therans backed off, for the next few centuries at least.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (03:19:51/08-06-12)
Schwartzkopf is kind of the only great dragon who's easy to get ahold of on short notice, since he teaches at a university. This actually kind of dealt me a curve ball when I was GMing recently. ("What are you going to do, show up to his office hours?" "Sure! Why not?" "...You're joking." "I can astrally project there." "...Oh, fine. This should be interesting.")

That sounds like something my group would do...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (05:12:29/08-06-12)
"Let's use our knowledge of how to protect against the Horrors to force everyone to swear fealty to us to survive and run our ubermagic on the blood of slaves they send us and CONQUER THE WORLD!"

When you put it that way, the first thing that came to my mind was: "Hey, Thera was the very first Megacorp!" :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (05:20:59/08-06-12)
"Let's use our knowledge of how to protect against the Horrors to force everyone to swear fealty to us to survive and run our ubermagic on the blood of slaves they send us and CONQUER THE WORLD!"

When you put it that way, the first thing that came to my mind was: "Hey, Thera was the very first Megacorp!" :)
And they were into evil drek the Azzies haven't even DREAMED of yet.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (08:12:36/08-06-12)
Dude, I don't like thinking of what the Azzies do. You're telling me these guys were worse? Tell me there isn't an Eternal elf like Harlequin running around playing for their team still. I imagine we'd see like.... a never-aging Hannibal Lecter.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (08:27:59/08-06-12)
No known immortal elves working for the Azzies, no. But there may be a Corrupted dragon running the place. For those of you who don't know, Corruption is something that happens to people who have contact with Horrors. And people who get Corrupted tend to make toxics look sane.

Of course, it is possible that the Black Lodge is made up of the descendants of Thera, as well.

And yes, the Therans were into all kinds of uber nastiness that would put the Azzies to shame. Let's put it this way. You know how divided the dragons are right now? The Therans were into enough kinds of nasty that ALL the great dragons in Europe agreed that they needed to be put down. Part of this plan involved a ritual including Mountainshadow (Dunkelzhan), Icewing (Ghostwalker), Vasdenjas, and Vast Green (Sirrurg). Oh, and Vasdenjas's brother, who happened to be merged with a Horror directly, showed up to say hi as well.

The Therans held the entire world hostage, demanding tribute and servitude in order for them to share the secret to surviving the Scourge. They didn't do that as simply a whim. That was something they had been planning for over a thousand years before the first Horrors showed up.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sengir on (11:03:17/08-06-12)
The Therans held the entire world hostage, demanding tribute and servitude in order for them to share the secret to surviving the Scourge. They didn't do that as simply a whim. That was something they had been planning for over a thousand years before the first Horrors showed up.
Well, The Azzies would probably not be trying to speed up the Horror invasion if they didn't have some way of profiting from it...although their plan seems to be collaboration rather than selling protection
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (12:24:27/08-06-12)
The Therans held the entire world hostage, demanding tribute and servitude in order for them to share the secret to surviving the Scourge. They didn't do that as simply a whim. That was something they had been planning for over a thousand years before the first Horrors showed up.
Well, The Azzies would probably not be trying to speed up the Horror invasion if they didn't have some way of profiting from it...although their plan seems to be collaboration rather than selling protection
Assuming, of course, that the Azzies know what they're doing, outside of the Horror cult.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sengir on (15:29:51/08-06-12)
Assuming, of course, that the Azzies know what they're doing, outside of the Horror cult.
Well, 6WA and SoLA have some rumors that the whole Aztec fad is nothing more than a front for a Horror cult. But in any case, the "Horror fraction" obviously believes there is something to be gained by bringing forth the apocalypse.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: lurkeroutthere on (16:33:17/08-06-12)
No dragon has been killed by  conventional weaponry in the sixth world. Dunkelzahn is the closest and he was killed by a very large carbobmb (at least externally)


I still have hope that some great dragon gets killed by a nice conventional strike of some sort. Artillery, Thror Shot, Mounted laser whatever. That would really be the only way I can see the lives of guys like Sirrug, Ghostwalker, and to a lesser extent (because of relative low profile) Aiden going.

Until that happens the setting is really not about one of magic and tech, it's a setting of magi c and then then tech for people that didn't win the genetic lotteryI


I now return you to your regularly scheduled metaplot lthread, depressingly filled with magic and 4th world plots.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (17:27:49/08-06-12)
Well, that's just the way things are. Given enough time or wherewithal, magic users can adapt and use technology. However, the opposite is not true. You cannot just control magic with technology like the Ghostbusters (which is what they were doing), and even if you can the magic users will also be able to use it.


The one thing that mundanes have going for them is that there are a lot more than them.


Also, speaking of dragons. While there are only about two dozen Great Dragons in the world, there are approximately two thousand Adult Dragons. If and when any make it to becoming Great Dragons is important because even in Earthdawn only one in four or five would ever ascend to Greathood, and right now the only Great Dragon wholly of the Sixth World is Masaru. And while no greats have been confirmed killed by metahumanity, that is not the case with Adults.


If you want to battle a great dragon, you have to look at the whole picture—they do.


I had a feeling that was coming.  :)

Working from memory here 'cause I'm away from my books, so hopefully I won't flub any details.

Basically, one of the founders of Thera hadn't liked how things had gone from "Let's form a center of learning to translate the Books of Harrow so the world can prepare for this coming disaster!" to "Let's use our knowledge of how to protect against the Horrors to force everyone to swear fealty to us to survive and run our ubermagic on the blood of slaves they send us and CONQUER THE WORLD!" He finally reached his limit when he heard the rumors going around that the ruler of Thera might soon drop the pretense and change his title from "First Governor" to "Emperor". So after calling them all out on their drek, he had a bunch of earth elementals build a massive statue of a sphinx glaring at the capital city, then he and elementals all merged themselves with the Sphinx. The Therans feared that he was still watching them from wthin the Sphinx, waiting for them to go too far, and if they did then the Sphinx would come to life and punish them for their hubris. And since then, no First Governor has dared to call himself Emperor.

So Icewing (the name of Ghostwalker in that era) being perched on the Sphinx of all things was either a reminder of how corrupt the Therans had become and that their unchecked ambition would have consequences... or, if the Sphinx really is capable of coming to life, indicated that Icewing's retaliatory strikes had the tacit approval of the last uncorrupted founding father of Thera. Either way, symbolically quite potent. The Therans backed off, for the next few centuries at least.

It's also worth noting that Icewing's reputation as a spirit expert would have also preceded him.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (17:36:41/08-06-12)
As we discussed earlier, a great dragon was brought down by fighter jets with air-to-air missiles soon after the Awakening. However, there are indications that she didn't die, just was badly wounded and went into hiding in a radiation zone. Alamais was badly wounded by a laser weapon, but also turned up alive later. Great dragons seem to have a knack for it.

Some mere adult dragons have been killed with conventional weaponry over the years, I believe.

On the other hand, I can only recall one great dragon killed through Awakened means in the Sixth World, Nachtmeister being killed by Lofwyr, so conventional weaponry is doing quite respectably by comparison. GDs are just hard to kill in general.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (18:16:56/08-06-12)
No dragon has been killed by  conventional weaponry in the sixth world. Dunkelzahn is the closest and he was killed by a very large carbobmb (at least externally)
Haeslich(sp?) was brought down by conventional weapons. Unsure whether he was a Great or not, though. Of course, normal rules about not finding a body apply.

Eliohann was 'killed' by something so basic as feedback from the Matrix. Well, technically he's an e-ghost and his brain-dead body is on life support, but that's pretty much dead, in my book.

Dzitbalchen was killed by a ceremonial dagger cutting him open and removing his still beating heart. Sure, he was restrained by magic at the time, but...

Dunkelzhan was killed by a nuke contained in a heavy barrier.

So there are dragons who have been killed by mundane means. Usually, however, it takes a combo of magic and tech to stand a chance against a dragon. They are called 'apex predators' for a reason. They're just damn hard to kill overall.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (20:48:51/08-06-12)
Haeslich(sp?) was brought down by conventional weapons. Unsure whether he was a Great or not, though. Of course, normal rules about not finding a body apply.

If he's the one from the first Shadowrun novel, then I'm pretty sure he was an adult.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: redwolf on (03:12:53/08-07-12)
Haeslich(sp?) was brought down by conventional weapons. Unsure whether he was a Great or not, though. Of course, normal rules about not finding a body apply.

If he's the one from the first Shadowrun novel, then I'm pretty sure he was an adult.
yeep by ghost and he had vindicator minigun
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (03:29:59/08-07-12)
Point being, you don't need uber magic to kill a dragon. Now killing a great dragon takes a lot more power than most individuals can manage, even with magic. Which is why the only two times a great dragon has been killed in the modern era, it has involved either a nuke, or another great dragon.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: TheNarrator on (03:42:35/08-07-12)
Which is why the only two times a great dragon has been killed in the modern era, it has involved either a nuke, or another great dragon.
And the case with the nuke was suicide, so it was still the doing of a great dragon.  :P
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: lurkeroutthere on (04:59:29/08-07-12)
It wasn't a nuke, why do people always seem to think it was.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lysanderz on (06:36:24/08-07-12)
That's because some people don't understand exactly what a car bomb can do.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (07:31:32/08-07-12)
It wasn't a nuke, why do people always seem to think it was.
Well, as of Artifacts Unbound, Harlequin, at least, believes it was a nuke, so I'll go with that.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (08:12:44/08-07-12)
Also because Mike Mulvihill, the line developer when Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets and the Dragon heart Trilogy were written, said it in an interview (http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=3564&view=findpost&p=98480). That doesn't make it canon (only published material is), but that's still give people some reason to believe it.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SwampFox on (10:50:13/08-07-12)
t Ghostwalker went to the metaplanes on a mission (and has apparently returned)

Wait, when did he get back?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (11:50:27/08-07-12)
t Ghostwalker went to the metaplanes on a mission (and has apparently returned)

Wait, when did he get back?

I'm less worried about when he got back than "What did he do while he was away?"

THAT's where the story is. :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:41:31/08-07-12)
Yea, but I saw Mirikon saying this for a few times before, so IMO he got some info on that. Im currious for what its source is, since I havent find anything in books :P
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (02:31:29/08-08-12)
Yea, but I saw Mirikon saying this for a few times before, so IMO he got some info on that. Im currious for what its source is, since I havent find anything in books :P
It never comes out and says it directly. However, I'll run down some quotes for you.

Quote from: Hazard Pay, Jackpoint page
Nicholas Whitebird issues statement on Ghostwalker: “His status is as it has always been: in
charge of Denver.”
Quote from: Jet Set, page 9
> Then there’s the Ghostwalker question. There still have been no
confirmed sightings of GW since he disappeared into the nowclosed
Watergate Rift, but I have word that his Denver residence
has become bustling after sitting nearly dormant for the entire
last half of 2073. They’re either preparing for guests or for the
return of their master.
> Plan 9

There have been other hints, but nothing concrete. Yet. But I'd look for Ghostwalker to be a player in Clutch of Dragons.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Bull on (04:43:52/08-08-12)
Clutch of Dragons clears up the Ghostwalker question, as a note. 

I look forward to the speculation and chaos this book should hopefully cause. :)

Bull
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: DarkLloyd on (07:43:29/08-08-12)
Who wrote that one Bull?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (10:44:10/08-08-12)
Several different writers, but not including me. In *general*, I like my Wizworms in the background instead of the foreground. That said, if I get a chance to use one, I will, I just don't go out looking for 'em. :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (10:56:57/08-08-12)
Clutch of Dragons clears up the Ghostwalker question, as a note. 

I look forward to the speculation and chaos this book should hopefully cause. :)

Bull

Believe me..I have been reading the PDF....I am UTTERLY confused by somethings, though, I can fully understand
why that one Drake did something that Ghostwalker might not like, and why Ghostwalker has not done anything
about that Drake and ordered his stuff protected...(Basicly, the Drake stopped the White Wyrm from doing something
that WOULD have been bad for him and Denver, and after cooling down a little, The Big G has realized this...but
doesn't want to publicly admit it...as it could be taken as a sign of weakness from the other Dragons, given
what the Big G is seemingly planning with regards to GoldenSnout....Of course, that I have made sense of it means..
I am likely COMPLETELY wrong!)

BTW...How is that for telling stuff that people who have read it will understand, but those who haven't should
have no clue?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (11:05:34/08-08-12)
Just to be clear it was a dragon, not a drake, that pissed off Ghostwalker.




Anyway, I wrote a majority of the Ghostwalker material along with Michael Wich. We've been working on this for over a year, and I have plans for GW for the next five to ten.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (11:36:14/08-08-12)
It looks like there is some sort of plotline starting with FastJack...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Bull on (15:51:38/08-08-12)
Who wrote that one Bull?

Writing: Jason M. Hardy, James Meiers, Devon Oratz, Steven “Bull” Ratkovich, Scott Schletz, Malik Toms, Michael Wich

I specifically did Perianwyr's section (And he's an Adult Dragon, not a drake.  He's old school, originally appearing in the old FASA adventures Mercurial and A Killing Glare.  He then was bequeathed an item in Dunklezahn's Will, his music collection, and then got a write up in Dragon's of the 6th World, and got mentioned in Running Wild and in the Denver section of Conspiracy Theories.  He also showed up in one of the Convention Missions from last year (Which hasn't been publicly released yet), CMP 2011-05: Burn Notice.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (20:51:47/08-08-12)
OK..what got me confused on Perianwyr was the whole metahuman form thing...I thought only
Drakes and Greats could do that.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (21:35:20/08-08-12)
Spell I think... shapeshifting.

As a power, its only for the Greats and Drakes..
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (21:57:19/08-08-12)
Correct. Adult Dragons need to use sorcery to change shape and mass (Body) depending on the form they take.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Bull on (22:05:53/08-08-12)
And for a Non-Great, Peri is actually a pretty decent sorcerer.  And yes, he uses Shapechange to take metahuman form.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (22:12:50/08-08-12)
Peri is a real favourite at our table.

The team once almost killed him (during Mecurial) with a lightning bolt / AV missile combo (and a ton of edge... dragons are scary) during a car chase (put him into overflow).  They then stopped the car, got out and healled him.  They said they didn't want any bad blood with a Dragon.  Later on they made a deal with him and his partner and threw in a signed autograph from Mecurial.

You've got to love a Dragon Den filled with music trids etc. instead of gold and bones.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (23:07:08/08-08-12)
If you own the right music, you may as well be sitting on gold. See Apple Records, for example.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (10:37:21/08-09-12)
If you own the right music, you may as well be sitting on gold. See Apple Records, for example.
And if you own the Music Rights, you're sitting on a pile on Nuyen that weighs more than you do in Draconic form.

And, last I checked, Nuyen was electronic in origin, so...  How much does an electron weigh in at again?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: JustADude on (10:58:42/08-09-12)
If you own the right music, you may as well be sitting on gold. See Apple Records, for example.
And if you own the Music Rights, you're sitting on a pile on Nuyen that weighs more than you do in Draconic form.

And, last I checked, Nuyen was electronic in origin, so...  How much does an electron weigh in at again?

9.1093829×10−31 kg, according to Wikipedia. ;D

The big question, now, is how many electrons do you need to store one Nuyen?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (15:04:47/08-09-12)
About the same as the number of angels can dance on the head of a beer.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (19:29:28/08-09-12)
About the same as the number of angels can dance on the head of a beer.

Ahhh... but that would be a clasic example of the observer influencing the outcome... after all, the number of beers consumed first has a sliding scale impact on the number of angels that fit of the head of the beer being observed....
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Valashar on (21:21:02/08-09-12)
Not to mention just how much head you let your barkeep get away with putting on your beer.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SwampFox on (21:40:10/08-09-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (21:41:20/08-09-12)
Not to mention just how much head you let your barkeep get away with putting on your beer.
The beer I use for the experiment is God's Bread, AKA:  Guinness.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (21:44:01/08-09-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SwampFox on (22:10:55/08-09-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Oh.  OH HELL.  Poor Jack.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (23:07:16/08-09-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?

Oh good! I thought I was the only one noticing what was up with FastJack.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: FastJack on (07:39:12/08-10-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Oh.  OH HELL.  Poor Jack.
Not worried too much if it's psychotopes. FastJack's got a lot of friends (and even MORE favors owed to him), so that he can probably get some help with that. Of course, it probably would mean needing to do a run on a delta clinic or something, and probably result in him finding Cap'n Chaos' "ghost" in the Matrix...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: redwolf on (08:08:04/08-10-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Oh.  OH HELL.  Poor Jack.
Not worried too much if it's psychotopes. FastJack's got a lot of friends (and even MORE favors owed to him), so that he can probably get some help with that. Of course, it probably would mean needing to do a run on a delta clinic or something, and probably result in him finding Cap'n Chaos' "ghost" in the Matrix...
knowlledg or hope?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: FastJack on (09:11:43/08-10-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Oh.  OH HELL.  Poor Jack.
Not worried too much if it's psychotopes. FastJack's got a lot of friends (and even MORE favors owed to him), so that he can probably get some help with that. Of course, it probably would mean needing to do a run on a delta clinic or something, and probably result in him finding Cap'n Chaos' "ghost" in the Matrix...
knowlledg or hope?
Alas, I'm not part of the internal workings at CGL. So, HOPE.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (09:30:09/08-10-12)
So, who else is worried that Fastjack's run may be coming to an end with these latest revelations in Clutch?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and ever since his run on the Dawkins Group, burning their node to the ground, Fastjack's had some of these lapses from time to time. We know two things about that encounter: Horizon uses psychotropics in those nodes, and Fastjack took damage from the attacks. Put two and two together.
Oh.  OH HELL.  Poor Jack.
Not worried too much if it's psychotopes. FastJack's got a lot of friends (and even MORE favors owed to him), so that he can probably get some help with that. Of course, it probably would mean needing to do a run on a delta clinic or something, and probably result in him finding Cap'n Chaos' "ghost" in the Matrix...
One problem with that. The reason psychotropics are so nasty isn't that they screw with your head, but that they can potentially screw with your head, and you don't even know you need to get help. Sure, Jack can get help, but first he has to realize that he needs help.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: ArkangelWinter on (11:41:42/08-10-12)
Enter Perri, I would hope.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (12:10:48/08-10-12)
I updated the opening post to add this plot to the list. I like Fastjack (who doesn't?), so I hope he'll make it.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (10:27:43/08-28-12)
Just updated the list by adding "the Geneva plot", following a suggestion by Zunimancer :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Zunimancer on (11:15:44/08-30-12)
Hey hey. Thanks for adding the plot Marzhin. And good work. Really usefull such an overview.

Also: thanks for sticky.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: FastJack on (14:22:35/08-30-12)
Hey hey. Thanks for adding the plot Marzhin. And good work. Really usefull such an overview.

Also: thanks for sticky.
I stickied this since it seemed a great topic to keep around. ;)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (15:27:18/08-30-12)
I stickied this since it seemed a great topic to keep around. ;)

Wooo, stickied by FastJack :D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: DarkLloyd on (15:30:12/08-30-12)
I stickied this since it seemed a great topic to keep around. ;)

Wooo, stickied by FastJack :D

That's just Too easy....... so I shall decline to comment.. lol

Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (03:02:11/08-31-12)
[That's just Too easy....... so I shall decline to comment.. lol

Don't believe for one second it was worded that way by accident :)
But what's the whole point in making hilariously ambiguous posts if people refrain from reacting to it? :D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (19:35:35/08-31-12)
It cannot be "repasted" without someones true invention?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (21:27:07/08-31-12)
Nice list so far! Many kudos! I should note that there are more players in the Dragon game than just Hestaby and Lofwyr, however. Take a gander at Clutch. Some booty-kickingly cool stuff in there.

 Aside from the dragons )And, really, who doesn't love dragons?), I'm probably most interested in the corporate stuff that's going on, with the Aztlan-Amazonian War and Horizon being right behind.

Not a big magic fan, the bugs, the Deep Lacuna, and stuff of that nature just does nothing for me. Luckily, the people handling those things love it, so, everybody wins. :)

(As for who shot Hestaby's Shaman guy, Plan 9 tells me that he thinks it's a time-travelling Dunklezahn, trying to win the claw of Firewings in hopes of breeding a new set of atomic Dragons. Shhh! Don't tell anybody!)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (08:30:49/09-01-12)
It cannot be "repasted" without someones true invention?

What do you mean?  ???

Nice list so far! Many kudos! I should note that there are more players in the Dragon game than just Hestaby and Lofwyr, however. Take a gander at Clutch. Some booty-kickingly cool stuff in there.

Thanks! I didn't want to go into too much detail (the goal is not to spoil the content of the books), but I added a mention of the facts the other dragons have schemes as well :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: PrudentPanda on (05:49:01/09-20-12)
I'd like to add the following:

Big trouble in little China
Wuxing is not only named after the Chinese magical tradition but is known as the Wiz MegaCorp. Dunkelzahn left several magical items to the founding family of Wu (which lead to Wuxing's ascension to AAA-status), especially noteworthy the Third Coin of Luck, known for fertility. Wu's wife gave birth to identical quintuplets, named after the five elements of Wuxing magical tradition. Wuxing's HQ in Hong Kong literally sits on the major crossing of several dragon lines and the astral space around Wuxing's Aberdeen tower is visible to all. Given, that especially dragons are interested in this (Lung and Ryumyo anyone?) it will be very interesting to learn, who one of Wuxing's major shareholders really is: Fu Peng. Nobody seems to have seen this man. There are no records about him and he has no residence anywhere.
Books: Corporate Guide, Runner Havens
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (13:35:28/09-20-12)
How lucky could that coin be?  They were all girls.

...

*Headdesk*  Yes yes, The Special Hell, I know...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ethan on (15:12:22/09-20-12)
One could be a boy. Or not even be human, according to CT.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (18:22:05/09-20-12)
There's a ton of little things about the Quints that need 'airtime'.

Curiosity time ... has anyone used them in their game at all?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Smiley on (20:24:45/09-20-12)
We did but our GM didn't do much more than a job Smiley was hired by Wu himself. The kids were briefly (like 5 seconds) in the background of the scene of the meet with what appeared to be some kind of keeper but that's it. My GM didn't feel like he had enough information to do something with it that wouldn't break canon in possible future releases (yeah he's like that  ::) ).
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (01:36:21/09-21-12)
We did but our GM didn't do much more than a job Smiley was hired by Wu himself. The kids were briefly (like 5 seconds) in the background of the scene of the meet with what appeared to be some kind of keeper but that's it. My GM didn't feel like he had enough information to do something with it that wouldn't break canon in possible future releases (yeah he's like that  ::) ).
Of course they had a keeper, Smiley was around.  :P  Chaperones are needed during situations like that!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Smiley on (11:08:13/09-21-12)
Haha! Yeah, Smiley is too much of a bad influence! I just had a funny thought: "Today, Uncle Smiley's gonna teach you all how to kill your nanny and get away with it!" adding his usual big mischievous smile.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (14:47:18/09-21-12)
Haha! Yeah, Smiley is too much of a bad influence! I just had a funny thought: "Today, Uncle Smiley's gonna teach you all how to kill your nanny and get away with it!" adding his usual big mischievous smile.
Just what a AAA needs, major shareholders that are also Ninja Sisters.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (18:52:19/09-24-12)
Mmmm.  What I think the Quints are is ... well, not necessarily a bad thing for Wuxing.  Think Stepford Cuckoos ...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Cranstonvm on (00:47:54/10-17-12)
Yep. They sent a task force of three behemoths (which are like flying fortresses, in that they were fortresses that freaking flew) to kill three great dragons, because they didn't like that the dragons were teaching people how to build shelters against the Horrors; the Therans had a monopoly on that magic among metahumans, and wanted to everyone to pay them in cash and slaves for the right to survive. The Therans had the most powerful metahuman mages in the world at a time that the manacycle was at its peak, an army that was 10% adepts, and banks of magitek fire cannons. They ambushed and killed two of their targets still in their lairs, but lost one behemoth in the process. The third target--we know him now as Ghostwalker--was gone when they got there, along with all his stuff.

Soon afterwards, three dozen prominent Theran citizens who had agitated for or profited from the strike on the dragons are found mysteriously dead. Ghostwalker was seen perched casually on a statue just outside the Theran capital, just to make sure they knew who did it. Dragons don't fight fair.

The third great dragon to be killed by the Therans was Vasdenjas, who took the hit on purpose to protect the airship Earthdawn during the battle of Skypoint. The alliance of local kingdoms and dragons still destroyed Skypoint, a naval base in the form of a city-sized platform intended for the aforementioned behemoths to land on, and drove the Therans out of the region.

You can kill a great dragon, but it isn't easy or cheap... and God help you if you miss the first shot, because you won't get a second one.

Is their information on these battles? Which Earthdawn books or websites? Plus information on the behemoths would be cool too.:)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (03:36:15/10-17-12)
Is their information on these battles? Which Earthdawn books or websites? Plus information on the behemoths would be cool too.:)

Well, rough info on them is in the history section in the Pathfinder Earthdawn books. I would assume that it would be in
the same section in the Savage Worlds and standard rules corebooks, as well...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (07:47:26/10-17-12)
Is their information on these battles? Which Earthdawn books or websites? Plus information on the behemoths would be cool too.:)
The information on the 'issues' between the Therans and Dragons can be found in the Dragons book, I believe, and the deaths of Vasdenjas and his twin, Vestrivian (who was possessed by a horror) can be found in the campaign book Barsaive at War.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Kot on (19:04:20/10-17-12)
I'm still going to assume Vasdenjas overslept. :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (19:31:08/10-17-12)
No, he was pretty clearly killed, and the other dragons there did the death dance for him. His death is why Dunkelzhan was the Loremaster in the Sixth World.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (04:12:55/10-18-12)
Well, Earthdawn and Shadowrun have not been entirely consistent on the Loremaster topic. Earthdawn books described Vasdenjas as "Loremaster of Barsaive." That is, the Loremaster of the Council of Dragons of Barsaive, while there were Council of Dragons of Vasgothia, Cathay...
Shadowrun Survival of the Fittest reads like there's only one World Council of Dragons and one Loremaster.

My pet scenario to explain the difference is that Dunkelzahn "unified the belts" between the Earthdawn era and the end of the Fouth Age. He first won Vasdenjas Rite of Succession to become Loremaster of Barsaive, and then moved to Vasgothia, Cathay and Americas to win other Loremasters' Rite of Succession (or kill Loremasters, which is another way to get the title according to SotF). This is consistent with the fact that Dunkelzahn (and Ghostwalker) moved away from Barsaive before the end of Fouth Age, establishing a lair in the Front Range.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (07:03:48/10-18-12)
I do think Dunkelzahn unified the titles, but I believe that is due primarily to the fact that there was a LOT of down-time hunting. It may very well be that Dunkelzahn was the only Loremaster left. Which is one of the reasons the dragons get touchy about anyone cutting them up for enchantment components.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (08:38:34/10-18-12)
It worth noting that the Down Hunt should have implied a number of Rite of Succession to be held as the dragons community learnt about the kills. However, the Rite of Survival of the Fittest seems to be the first "full" rite held with an indirect contest, instead of the direct physical contest usually held. On the other hand, dragons were a lot more discreet in the early years of the Awakening. Also, it would make sense most casualties of the Down were adult young or adult dragons, not great. So maybe most of the hoards weren't hotly disputed and most rites remained low-profiles, with only a few local dragons competing (especially, since, the more successful the Down Hunt, the less dragons remains to contest...).

However, Survival of the Fittest read "Long before he appeared to the people of the modern world, Dunkelzahn became Loremaster of the dragons, with the greatest store of draconic knowledge and the accumulated lore of untold millennia."
I guess "long before" doesn't refer to the 44 days between the Awakening Day and Dunkelzahn's arrival in Denver. To me, the expression "Loremaster of the dragons" and superlative "greatest store" is already suggesting an unified title at that point. But it's not like SR books are always super accurate in their wording, so, your guess is as god as mine... Simply unifying the title from two councils, Barsaive and, say, Americas (for the aforementioned reason), could have been enough to establish the largest store ever seen in draconic history.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Kot on (11:45:39/10-18-12)
The Earthdawn history ends in the early years after the Long Night (less than 150 years, IIRC), so there was a lot of time for the dragons to plot and conquer. Especially since the Therans managed to stabilize the mana level, and buy more time for the mid-cycle. Vasdenjas was indeed the Loremaster of Barsaive, but it was just one small province, even if it held the Elven Court. And he was younger and less ambitious than both Icewing (Ghostwalker; let's face it, the only Great Dragon with larger ambitions was Denairastas), and Mountainshadow (Dunkelzahn). And he only ate one city. Not much to brag about. :)
I just like that dragon a lot, as he was closer to metahumans (Namegivers) than even Mountainshadow/Dunkelzahn, and acted in a manner that made him sound human. He wasn't the plotting-behind-the-scenes type. More of a braggart-scholar, who interrupted his lecture on the creatures of Barsaive, because speaking about one of them made him hungry.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Micawber on (11:45:27/11-27-12)

Has the Tempo-Metaplot already been mentioned? Sure - it's slowly disappearing from the streets as supplies fade but the damage is already done. I dunno bout you but I'm psyched about the long term ramifications and the dark machinations behind all this =)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (13:07:59/11-27-12)
The long term ramifications of the tempo plot are the Az-Am war, and Sirrurg's attack on Cali sparking the Dragon Civil War.

Oh, and whatever spirit pacts remain after the fields were destroyed.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (13:09:27/11-27-12)
Tempo is ... kinda derailed. The Troubles resulted in the writers that were behind it stepping away, the new people don't know where it was heading, and the ones still around who *do* know can't say much ... there are some legal issues as you might imagine. AFAIK, this means that the plotline is pretty much pruned unless someone wants to pick it up and reboot it. There might be nods to it now and again, but it's been clipped from a leading role.

It opened the doors for other stuff, however. (As Mirikon posts while I'm typing! Ninja'd!)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (14:14:56/11-27-12)
There was a first follow-up to the tempo plot in Vice, page 87. With the help of Graciela Riveiros, the David cartel has the know-how to produce tempo. They only wait for the supply to dry up and price to raise. There also a sinister implication that is not mentionned (obviously, since none on Jackpoint is aware of the fact). Only one spirit jumped ship from the Primeira Vaga to the David cartel. Thus, the David cartel may need to find other spirits to possess the trees they'll grow. Blood spirits? That would mean tempo user could become host to two opposing factions of spirits.

The other follow-up simply his, Ghost Cartels labelled the Primeira Vaga as bad guys. In War!, they appear to be, along with Greenwar, something like Sirrurg private army. However, it has never been stated if Sirrurg knew about Primeira Vaga trade with the Olaya cartel and the tempo effect. Or if Hualpa knew about it (to put that one another way, the question is, is the relationship between Primeira Vaga and Amazonia like, say, Hezbollah and Iran, where the group leaders would be invited to the presidential palace on a regular basis, or rather Al-Qaeda and Pakistan, with some mid-level case officer from the intelligence service regional office as their only contact).
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (15:08:02/11-27-12)
There's another followup.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Micawber on (08:28:59/11-28-12)
There's another followup.

Thats good to hear. I already feared the whole Tempo plot would be lumped together with all the other factors that lead to the Azzy-Amazon war. If it wasn't for getting worldwide support for Amazons war through possession ( ;)) it wouldn't do much (at least for me) progressing the spirit plot behind the whole tempo-stuff.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lacynth40 on (02:37:16/05-15-13)
Hate to perform thread necromancy, but since this is stickied to the top, I figured it was fair game. We got any updates to the metaplots from Storm Front, or are we all waiting to see what 5th Ed brings us? Cause I seriously wanna know what people think of the stuff in there. Especially the dragon stuff. Harley's gonna be out for a couple of years of brooding, as he does, so not interested in talking about him... I figure the new Matrix protocols will be covered in 5th Ed, so not worried about those. Pretty much everything after the section on Dodger is gearing up for 5th Ed, so it can wait. My question is, did Dodger do the designing of the new Matrix protocols? Since, you know, it's got an old school feel to it, and he's an old school decker/otaku/technomancer/whatever-he-is-now. So many questions... And so much to do with the gaming group to ramp up for some of this stuff.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (04:44:40/05-15-13)
All I can say about the dragons is that I REALLY want to see Hestaby on a runner team. Maybe as part of Jackpoint? That'd be AWESOME!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lacynth40 on (11:49:41/05-16-13)
Drek yeah, it would. I wanna see the Orange Queen posting again.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (12:17:09/05-16-13)
She was only good when bantering with H, and he's persona non grata on JackPoint. So :/
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (12:57:14/05-16-13)
She was only good when bantering with H, and he's persona non grata on JackPoint. So :/
Frosty could pick up the habit.  ;)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lacynth40 on (13:22:30/05-16-13)
And I'm sure there were others that wouldn't back down so easily to her, or else it's gonna be real hard for her to operate in the shadows. And she's gonna have to at the start, since she was left with nothing except the fact that she's a fraggin' great dragon. Which, mind you, is considerable in itself. But, she's got no horde, and the other dragons aren't talking to her much. She's gonna be one hell of a fixer, once she gets the ground back under her talons.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (22:33:34/05-16-13)
Well, we don't know that she has no hoard left. She may have a few secrets the rest of the dragons didn't know about. Certainly, Mt. Shasta is taken from her, and the vast majority of her wealth and power with it, but she didn't live this long by putting all her things in one place.

But yes, expect her to be a player in the shadows moving forward, since she's got to rebuild much. And I really would love to see her on the new Jackpoint. It would be interesting to see her opinions on things such as Ares and their bug problems, and so on. A conversation with Orange Queen, Cerberus, Frosty, Man-of-Many-Names, and Puck would be... interesting, to say the least.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Michael Chandra on (06:32:17/05-17-13)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lacynth40 on (10:31:24/05-17-13)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.
Considering dragons, that kind of help is gonna come with some pretty thick strings attached.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (16:50:38/05-17-13)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.

I don't know this rumor.  Is this in-game, whether IC or OOC (i.e. in one of the supplements as in-character conversation, or in the technicals section as a rumor), or is this scuttlebutt amongst players?  If it's the former, I must have missed it in my reading - can you point me to it?

Considering dragons, that kind of help is gonna come with some pretty thick strings attached.

Depends on the dragon, really.  I know who my first guess would be, though.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (19:50:54/05-17-13)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.
One Outcast helps another.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (20:33:01/05-17-13)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.
One Outcast helps another.
If Denairastas is still around, I'm not sure that he and Hestaby would be on the best of terms. If any dragon was going to give shelter to Hestaby, it would likely be Masaru, even if it was just letting her crash at one of his North Am lairs until she got her own place.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (00:29:32/05-18-13)
But Masaru has more to lose now than he did before, maybe enough to completely shut the door on Hestaby.

It's almost as if this were planned ...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (03:51:33/05-18-13)
I thought Celedyr was one mentioned to give her a hand?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (07:13:12/05-18-13)
It's almost as if this were planned ...
*smacks across the back of the head*  Stop teasing the players.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (07:54:04/05-18-13)
Rereading Storm Front, and every time I delve into the chapter on what's happened to Fastjack and others, I'm more convinced that what we're seeing is, for lack of a better term, a kind of inhabitation sprite/AI. Which brings a whole new level of possible freaky to the table. I can't wait to see where this leads.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Basic on (11:34:14/05-20-13)
Rereading Storm Front, and every time I delve into the chapter on what's happened to Fastjack and others, I'm more convinced that what we're seeing is, for lack of a better term, a kind of inhabitation sprite/AI. Which brings a whole new level of possible freaky to the table. I can't wait to see where this leads.

A few of the people at my group were wounding if it happen to be the fragments of the AI from renraku. It has been biding it time and reforming it self or maybe it's code was malformed now by a virus.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (12:17:10/05-20-13)
It's almost as if this were planned ...
*smacks across the back of the head*  Stop teasing the players.

But that's the only thing I have in my life!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (18:23:03/05-20-13)
It's almost as if this were planned ...
*smacks across the back of the head*  Stop teasing the players.
But that's the only thing I have in my life!
In which case, I have something for you to read ...

Rereading Storm Front, and every time I delve into the chapter on what's happened to Fastjack and others, I'm more convinced that what we're seeing is, for lack of a better term, a kind of inhabitation sprite/AI. Which brings a whole new level of possible freaky to the table. I can't wait to see where this leads.
A few of the people at my group were wounding if it happen to be the fragments of the AI from renraku. It has been biding it time and reforming it self or maybe it's code was malformed now by a virus.

Deus, while aspects of him may be reflected in certain AI and Paragon, is gone.  And Mirikon, I would guess that's pretty much what you're seeing, yeah - akin to insect spirits.  As if there weren't enough things to worry about ...

Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Michael Chandra on (18:58:29/05-20-13)
I don't know this rumor.  Is this in-game, whether IC or OOC (i.e. in one of the supplements as in-character conversation, or in the technicals section as a rumor), or is this scuttlebutt amongst players?  If it's the former, I must have missed it in my reading - can you point me to it?
JackPoint, technically. Jackpoint ‏@Jackpoint2075 17 Apr

The latest sighting of the Orange Queen happened in the UK; Rhonabwy may be offering Hestaby safe haven/sanctuary in his domain.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Parker on (00:05:11/05-21-13)

   "One of us...one of us...heeheehee!" ;D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Malathis on (14:44:34/05-23-13)
Deus, while aspects of him may be reflected in certain AI and Paragon, is gone.  And Mirikon, I would guess that's pretty much what you're seeing, yeah - akin to insect spirits.  As if there weren't enough things to worry about ...

Is there something that confirms that Deus is gone?

I always liked to think that after System Crash and Deus finally be came free is motives drastically changed.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (14:48:01/05-23-13)
There's no way to know. However, the 'world tree' which was Deus's avatar has shown up in a couple places, including one of the Resonance Realms. As for Deus's actual code, it should be in the Endless Archive, but finding it would require a Resonance Realms search, the technomancer equivalent of a mage going on a metaplanar quest.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (14:57:10/05-23-13)
Not to mention a significant dose of insanity. The kind of folks who'd go looking for that particular source code are probably just a little off-kilter.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (15:05:40/05-23-13)
Not to mention a significant dose of insanity. The kind of folks who'd go looking for that particular source code are probably just a little off-kilter.
Oh please, there's a number of Corps who would love to get their hands on the raw data, if nothing else.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (15:19:07/05-23-13)
Not to mention a significant dose of insanity. The kind of folks who'd go looking for that particular source code are probably just a little off-kilter.
Oh please, there's a number of Corps who would love to get their hands on the raw data, if nothing else.
As I was saying....
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (15:34:33/05-23-13)
Not to mention a significant dose of insanity. The kind of folks who'd go looking for that particular source code are probably just a little off-kilter.
Oh please, there's a number of Corps who would love to get their hands on the raw data, if nothing else.
And Pax would like to see her old master again, just so she can have the pleasure of killing him herself. And if this Sybil Virus is actually an AI thing, more than one of them may want to resurrect their strongest warrior...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (20:51:22/05-23-13)
Yeah. She'd do it just to kill Deus again.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (21:05:01/05-23-13)
Yeah. She'd do it just to kill Deus again.
*Pax smiles and holds up the dessicated code of several post-Crash 2.0 AIs*  "I've been practicing for when we'd meet again..."
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (21:50:55/05-23-13)
What became of Pax? She's not Dr. Cathrine Sharon?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (22:03:54/05-23-13)
I'm surprised no one has asked about the Sheep Metaplot!  ;D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (22:18:12/05-23-13)
Because everyone knows the sheep is a metaphor for how we lose our innocence when we grow up and sell out.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (23:25:41/05-23-13)
Because everyone knows the sheep is a metaphor for how we lose our innocence when we grow up and sell out.

Beautifully put, simply perfect.  And so true, so very true.  We are all Canray's Sheep, damn us all.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (02:57:46/05-24-13)
Just one's power of reason, knowing processes, following SR canon, and the way things have been stated to work.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (09:38:30/05-24-13)
What became of Pax? She's not Dr. Cathrine Sharon?

No.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (10:34:14/05-24-13)
Because everyone knows the sheep is a metaphor for how we lose our innocence when we grow up and sell out.
Actually, this is closer to everyone else's guessing than I've seen yet.

It's still wrong, however.  ;D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (20:03:25/05-28-13)
Any clues as to what Pax is up to?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (20:08:53/05-28-13)
Any clues as to what Pax is up to?
5'7"?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mystic on (09:27:14/05-29-13)
Any clues as to what Pax is up to?
5'7"?

Dude...really? We all know SR uses METRIC!

 ;)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (09:55:41/05-29-13)
So...170 cm?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (18:25:56/05-29-13)
So...170 cm?

Much better.  The sooner you'll accept the metric system, the better :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (18:54:31/05-29-13)
So...170 cm?

Much better.  The sooner you'll accept the metric system, the better :)

The Metric system is just a fad. Sooner or later the rest of the world will realize this and go back to the perfectly
logical Imperial System.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Michael Chandra on (19:33:01/05-29-13)
Don't forget the months. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw8o0yvmHk1qcc8ul.jpg
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (05:34:05/05-30-13)
Don't forget the months. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw8o0yvmHk1qcc8ul.jpg
Great point Michael!

Mara 'logical imperial system' is a classic oxymoron.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Michael Chandra on (05:36:08/05-30-13)
I'm betting Mara knows that. ^_^
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (06:34:47/05-30-13)
I'm betting Mara knows that. ^_^
Oh, I know it was tongue in cheek  ::)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Patrick Goodman on (09:14:42/05-30-13)
So...170 cm?

Much better.  The sooner you'll accept the metric system, the better :)
I use it, but I'll accept it when I'm dead. Maybe a little bit later.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (16:35:30/05-30-13)
I just make up my own units of measurements. People have stopped asking me for directions.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (16:59:16/05-30-13)
I'm from Northern Ontario.  Distance is measured in hours.

Frequently in dozens.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Hellion on (02:14:05/05-31-13)
I'm from Northern Ontario.  Distance is measured in hours.

Frequently in dozens.
Australia ain't much better :P

Plus ya can't even escape the country unless ya willing to row or catch a plane
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (02:29:11/05-31-13)
I'm from Northern Ontario.  Distance is measured in hours.

Frequently in dozens.
Australia ain't much better :P

Plus ya can't even escape the country unless ya willing to row or catch a plane
Really don't understand this concept of 'land borders'.  What, you step over a line and your in some other country?  Seems.. crowded.  Next you'll have state capitals which are less then 10 hours drive from each other. (Actually, Canberra technically is only 3 hours from Sydney.. unless you get stuck in Sydney traffic and then you add about 4-5 additional hours...)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Longshot23 on (06:20:13/05-31-13)
I'm from Northern Ontario.  Distance is measured in hours.

Frequently in dozens.
Australia ain't much better :P

Plus ya can't even escape the country unless ya willing to row or catch a plane
Really don't understand this concept of 'land borders'.  What, you step over a line and your in some other country?  Seems.. crowded.  Next you'll have state capitals which are less then 10 hours drive from each other. (Actually, Canberra technically is only 3 hours from Sydney.. unless you get stuck in Sydney traffic and then you add about 4-5 additional hours...)

Or you get caught in a CountryLink SNAFU . . .
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Hellion on (06:32:05/05-31-13)
Trust me Melbourne city(satan)link ain't fun either the worst I've ever had it was 2 and a half hours on it for a journey that normally takes me 20 min... I really wanna convert my Torana to a monster truck would make getting to and from work so much quicker and fun, plus might keep Ford producing cars here as a side benefit.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Belker on (08:14:50/05-31-13)
To paraphrase an old saw:

A European thinks 100 miles is a long way.
An American, Australian or Canadian thinks 100 years is a long time.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:17:50/05-31-13)
To paraphrase an old saw:

A European thinks 100 miles is a long way.
An American, Australian or Canadian thinks 100 years is a long time.

ROFL
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (19:21:19/06-04-13)
To paraphrase an old saw:

A European thinks 100 miles is a long way.
An American, Australian or Canadian thinks 100 years is a long time.

Really makes me feel for other country's students, "Okay class we're on chapter 20 of the third history book."
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (23:41:01/06-04-13)
To paraphrase an old saw:

A European thinks 100 miles is a long way.
An American, Australian or Canadian thinks 100 years is a long time.

Really makes me feel for other country's students, "Okay class we're on chapter 20 of the third history book."

Doesn't make a difference.  Still need to learn everyone's history, regardless of wether its Bono (Ivory Coast), Papal States, Hindu Kush or Srivijaya.  A short national history doesn't preclude a requirement to study history itself.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Critias on (01:14:02/06-05-13)
Except, of course, in public school.   >:(
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (01:20:49/06-05-13)
To paraphrase an old saw:

A European thinks 100 miles is a long way.
An American, Australian or Canadian thinks 100 years is a long time.

Really makes me feel for other country's students, "Okay class we're on chapter 20 of the third history book."

Doesn't make a difference.  Still need to learn everyone's history, regardless of wether its Bono (Ivory Coast), Papal States, Hindu Kush or Srivijaya.  A short national history doesn't preclude a requirement to study history itself.

"Class, welcome to World History, but mostly about America." This is how it works out in the U.S., anyway...
We get one semester that is mostly a survey up until the discovery of america, then 4 weeks on everything
up until the American Revolution, then the rest of the class is devoted to everything since then, with anything
that had american involvement getting significantly more coverage then anything that didn't have American
involvement. Actually, other then a couple minor protests like the Boxer Rebellion(hah! It didn't even get a full page!),
and something called the "Boehr War" and stuff involving some guy named "Napoleon", and a small portion of WW1,
nothing happened after 1776 of any note that the U.S. did not have a significant involvement in. With regards to
WW1, for example, the portion of the war before the U.S arrived got 1 Class day, while after U.S. arrived got the
rest of the week(2 Class Days)...(Oh....did I mention this was my college World History? My Highschool World History
was even more focused on how importantthe U.S. was...only 1/4 was devoted to pre-1776 history)
Title: Re:
Post by: Sichr on (07:38:31/06-05-13)
I recall someone mistaking Czech for Chechnya. History isnt the problem from this POV :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Longshot23 on (07:45:08/06-05-13)
Reminds me of an old (Cold War-era) joke:

At a diplomatic function, a Norwegian diplomat approached a group and opened the equivalent of small talk.
"What is your opinion of the meat shortage in the rest of the world?" he asked.
The conversational gambit fell flat because of various failures to understand the question:
The Russian diplomat didn't understand 'opinion'.
The Polish diplomat didn't understand 'meat'.
The Canadian diplomat didn't understand 'shortage'.
And the American diplomat didn't understand 'the rest of the world' . . . .
Title: Re:
Post by: Sichr on (07:49:21/06-05-13)
:)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: CanRay on (12:18:34/06-05-13)
"Class, welcome to World History, but mostly about America." This is how it works out in the U.S., anyway...
We get one semester that is mostly a survey up until the discovery of america, then 4 weeks on everything
up until the American Revolution, then the rest of the class is devoted to everything since then, with anything
that had american involvement getting significantly more coverage then anything that didn't have American
involvement. Actually, other then a couple minor protests like the Boxer Rebellion(hah! It didn't even get a full page!),
and something called the "Boehr War" and stuff involving some guy named "Napoleon", and a small portion of WW1,
nothing happened after 1776 of any note that the U.S. did not have a significant involvement in. With regards to
WW1, for example, the portion of the war before the U.S arrived got 1 Class day, while after U.S. arrived got the
rest of the week(2 Class Days)...(Oh....did I mention this was my college World History? My Highschool World History
was even more focused on how importantthe U.S. was...only 1/4 was devoted to pre-1776 history)
Oh, and the War of 1812 never happened.  Nor the Bay Of Pigs.  :P
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (16:50:53/06-05-13)
SOOOOOOO .... How about that SR metaplot?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Nath on (17:05:19/06-05-13)
SOOOOOOO .... How about that SR metaplot?
Basically the same thing. There was a war in Colombia for which maybe two or three battles have been mentioned, and when Sirrurg started attacking towns in rural Texas and New Mexico, we got a detailed list of the places he hit.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (20:11:11/06-05-13)
SOOOOOOO .... How about that SR metaplot?
Basically the same thing. There was a war in Colombia for which maybe two or three battles have been mentioned, and when Sirrurg started attacking towns in rural Texas and New Mexico, we got a detailed list of the places he hit.
And the Azzies pooped out multiple armies from god knows where and somehow invade Denver with no one noticing.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Basic on (10:25:19/07-21-13)
What is going on in space ?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marlowe on (12:38:09/07-21-13)
What is going on in space ?

Some people may be screaming, but we can't hear them so there's no way to know for sure.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Eremitic Fool on (16:58:28/08-07-13)
What is going on in space ?

Some people may be screaming, but we can't hear them so there's no way to know for sure.

Maybe it will take out the rest of Zurich-Orbital. They could use some new blood. You know, someone under 80.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (17:37:01/08-08-13)
"Class, welcome to World History, but mostly about America." This is how it works out in the U.S., anyway...
We get one semester that is mostly a survey up until the discovery of america, then 4 weeks on everything
up until the American Revolution, then the rest of the class is devoted to everything since then, with anything
that had american involvement getting significantly more coverage then anything that didn't have American
involvement. Actually, other then a couple minor protests like the Boxer Rebellion(hah! It didn't even get a full page!),
and something called the "Boehr War" and stuff involving some guy named "Napoleon", and a small portion of WW1,
nothing happened after 1776 of any note that the U.S. did not have a significant involvement in. With regards to
WW1, for example, the portion of the war before the U.S arrived got 1 Class day, while after U.S. arrived got the
rest of the week(2 Class Days)...(Oh....did I mention this was my college World History? My Highschool World History
was even more focused on how importantthe U.S. was...only 1/4 was devoted to pre-1776 history)
Oh, and the War of 1812 never happened.  Nor the Bay Of Pigs.  :P

aehm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYFRzf2Xww
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (00:42:45/08-13-13)
What is going on in space ?

Nothing. Nothing is going on in space. Everything is fine. Go about your business. Everything is fine.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Black on (01:23:49/08-13-13)
What is going on in space ?

Nothing. Nothing is going on in space. Everything is fine. Go about your business. Everything is fine.
Ah.... Its true then  8)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Tzeentch on (03:49:27/08-18-13)
What is going on in space ?
Something is moving in the darkness, seeping down to our world from cold stars to prepare the world for the return of their masters: untiring intellects that know only death and madness.

Beyond that? Some Corporate Court shenanigans. You know, the usual Shadowrun mix.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: martinchaen on (13:46:04/09-09-13)
What is going on in space ?
Seconded! Definitely not enough info on what's going on with Mars, or even what happened to the President of Evo post-disapperance act...

Any new info come out recently?

Also, at Longshot23; as a Norwegian, I find that joke to be hilarious :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Neojudas on (01:18:39/09-14-13)
I kind of find the whole,thread interesting myself...

Guess I want to toss in some OPINIONS here on some of these.

+=+=+=+=+=+
Matrix, the Sybil Virus, Fastjacks Fate, etc...

First of all, whomever came up with the name of this virii should be Gibbs Slapped for good measure.  Next, I tend to agree with the theory that the virii is doing its thing to changing various people (Lanier, FJ, Brackhaven, etc).  I would like to point out to everyone that the original OS environment of what we call "the Matrix" was formulated after a super-collision of hackers (Echo Mirage) and the Virus of Crash 1.0.  And while the circus of C1.0 was beaten, we are all left with the consideration of various fluff remarks and possible game mechanics.  The biggest one is...

The Deep Resonance:Realm- the Great Archive

Everything that was ever on the Matrix is rumored to be found there,  source code to Morgan, Magera, Mirage, Deus, etc...  And quite possible the C1.0 virus.  And if SIM feeds are also accounted for, then guess what folks, it opens the meta mental doors that so are all those metahuman minds that are in HOT Sim/VR.  If ever there was a mechanic/fluff to be rebalanced, it is certainly a good candidate,

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

3 Loremasters in 3 Decades

This has to be perhaps one of the most unsettling social developments to the surviving Great Dragons.  Dunkelzahn led them into the age.  Lofwyr sustained them but really did NOTHING to further dragon kind, only his own agenda.  And now Celedyr, a dragon whom when push comes to shove, we don't know anything substantial about.  After "Clutch" it could be surmised that the status of both Arleesh and Lung has been elevated in the society.  Good thing for both, because its fairly obvious Lung is a sexist and Arleesh would probably just as soon never have to be near the single-focused ass again.  Masaru and Rhonabwy were somewhat on the "lower end" of the Alamais and Hestaby handouts.  This latter is interesting because those GDs are the ones with ties to the metahuman community at large more (Wyrm Talk for Masaru). Rhonabwy is the Welsh Dragon and an active part of Great Britain behind the scenes poli-snobbery.

And now that we are aware that the status of becoming a Great Dragon is a transformative process, it's likely on par with the Great Rituals introduced in Conspiracy Theories.  I'd also kinda comment that similar comparisons could be drawn between Drakes and True Drakes.  Almost has me asking ... " can a True Drake become a Dragon then?  And if so, wouldn't that be a power drop?" 

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

Ares and the Bugs.  I personally feel that Damien Knight is screwed and he's going to take Ares down with him.  The Bugs are going to "win" this one, but when I say win I mean that with a substantial level of loss as well.  No one likes the Bugs, and should their hives become a more poignant threat again, even a perceived one ... Such as by another Mega/AAA, then anything up to and including an Omega Order could readily be handed down.  And with Soaring Owl now on GWs radar, I'd say it will be coming to a head soon enough.

....

That's it for now, have other stuff to do.... Definitely will come back to here.  Conspiracy Theory is a hobby of mine ...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (17:35:14/09-14-13)
How about Pendragon? Could that have been Rhonabwy? It would go a long way to explain how he wasn't killed during his exploits.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Neojudas on (00:27:52/09-15-13)
How about Pendragon? Could that have been Rhonabwy? It would go a long way to explain how he wasn't killed during his exploits.
personally I really do not think so.  I think the Pendragon plot line, as well as the the New Druidic Movement stuff (probably have wrong name) were just story plots of previous writers whom were starting with the first layers of writing for the Shadowrun universe and attempting to first start attracting players using standard material starters to do so.  But this is mine own opinion really, and I openly declare such.

Bigger conspiracies to me are stuff that I now (admittedly) have a more directly vested interest in.  The Black Lodge being an appendant body of the Freemasons for instance (Conspiracy Theories), and knowing what I do of historical information regarding the Freemasons, the Templars, the Sylvestrines, etc....  That's a much bigger conspiracy with real,world inspiration and content to draw upon.  And since the writers chose to have Roselyn Chapel be the target of retribution by the dragons after that fallout attempt on Lofwyr and Alamais in GEMITO, I'd say the dragons just started a war with a 10-million plus level person organization.  Hence the reason in the games we have here, that War was headed off shortly after the declaration.

+=+=+=+=++=+=+=+=+

Aztlaners Kicking Ass and Taking Names.  With the death (?) of Sirrurg and the acquisition of the bio-alchemical weapon Blue-227 (?), and the inclusion of those two super-spirits, I'd also say that Aztlan is once more fully vested into North America and the Treaty City.  They managed to,win the PR war with Horizon.  Win the War against Amazonia.  Bring down Sirrurg.  And return to Denver all in a very short span of time.  The Big-A is well on its way back, if not already back and showing they are not afraid of starting extremely lethal,conflicts any longer.

 From outr perspective, it goes something like this.....  If the Great Dragons are going to measure at least part of their hordes in metahuman currencies, shares, and economic structures, then they are gong to be forced to at least partially succumb to the laws of the Modern Metahuman world.  Hestaby tried to warn them.  Before her, Dunkelzahn tried to lead them.  With both of them now out of the dragon socio-political picture, it's going to be up to Celedyr to help them find a navigable, survivable future,for their species.  And they cannot go on massive rampages, because the metahumans will fight back and they now possess the where-with all to do it.  And the Allies.  It's a game of Scorched Earth Retaliation.  Only thing left would bethe Roaches ... And n Shadowrun, that's saying something special.

If however the Great Dragons denounce the forms of measurement of Metahumanity as part do their hordes, then they set themselves so completely apart as to render them all anathema .  This would mean open season on not just Greats, but the non-Greats, Drakes, and Dracomorpha of all kinds.

My opinion, because a game without metahumans isn't a Shadowrun game, the writers (and thus the world) will not pursue any of the Great Dragon meta-arcs for a while.  Perri and Hestaby are likely to be the largest possible exceptions IMO, and it just won't be the same.

Besides, dragon-based meta-arcs require characters that are normally ore experienced, and Shadowrun has now kicked off Version 5.  Going to take,some time to build back up for many, if not most groups.

Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SpyroD on (03:51:59/09-15-13)
Well the Atzlan/Atzechtechnology is in strange waters, for one Big A as megacorp had A LOT of successes, they paid a fair share but the return in image (one of the currency of megas), influences and pure nuyen was a lot bigger, the only real downside was the lost of much of the middle experienced personel and a LOT of mages, those are thing you take time to reconstruct even with the new influxes from the propaganda victories.
On the other side there is Atzlan, as a country is in ruin, overextended, heavily battered as military, great swaths of populaces well under the hungry line (yeah more than usual), with broken infrastructures, three or four big city destroyed and the Bogota' mess, don't counting the cold war GW could start in Denver in short order. The situation is so badly, in my view, that the Big A could have serious problems with the undernourished workers and lack of infrastructure. This could lead to a complete take off of Atzlan as country by the Big A but is a thing Big A don't really want.

For what the GD (and in particular Golden Snout) will do, he have a score to settle with Black Lodge and will settle it somewhat, he already resolved the he problem he must take head on(namely Sirrug and Alamais) and now he will wage an heavy and indirect war against Black Lodge, probably he don't take it away (even if he said so) or not in the short term but some hit that propaganda couldn't retrace back to him is a given.

The good thing about the Great Dragons' story arcs is they could take years to come to an end but the World is Fast even for Them...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (06:29:21/09-15-13)
More to this, there are signs of great famine incomming. Now that would be horror to survive, in Megaplexes completely dependant on imported goods.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: BetaCAV on (04:40:52/09-16-13)
Well the Atzlan/Atzechtechnology is in strange waters, for one Big A as megacorp had A LOT of successes, they paid a fair share but the return in image (one of the currency of megas), influences and pure nuyen was a lot bigger, the only real downside was the lost of much of the middle experienced personel and a LOT of mages, those are thing you take time to reconstruct even with the new influxes from the propaganda victories.
On the other side there is Atzlan, as a country is in ruin, overextended, heavily battered as military, great swaths of populaces well under the hungry line (yeah more than usual), with broken infrastructures, three or four big city destroyed and the Bogota' mess, don't counting the cold war GW could start in Denver in short order. The situation is so badly, in my view, that the Big A could have serious problems with the undernourished workers and lack of infrastructure. This could lead to a complete take off of Atzlan as country by the Big A but is a thing Big A don't really want.

For what the GD (and in particular Golden Snout) will do, he have a score to settle with Black Lodge and will settle it somewhat, he already resolved the he problem he must take head on(namely Sirrug and Alamais) and now he will wage an heavy and indirect war against Black Lodge, probably he don't take it away (even if he said so) or not in the short term but some hit that propaganda couldn't retrace back to him is a given.

The good thing about the Great Dragons' story arcs is they could take years to come to an end but the World is Fast even for Them...

Hmm. Okay, I'm going to engage in some flagrant (and possibly clueless) speculation here;

Aztechnology could/might allow a dragon/feathered serpent to take over civil dominance in Aztlan, perhaps for some amount of non-voting shares of stock, ensuring that the dragon doesn't interfere with business (much). This would be almost as bad of an idea for them as for the dragon, which is probably enough lube to make it practicable. If they can keep food available, the metahuman populace may settle down long enough for another shoe to drop -- probably in Denver. Failing that, it seems a likely outbreak site for the next stage of ghoul problems, because Aztlan hasn't checked that box on their "to do" list of miseries yet (AFAIK, I'm still catching up on things).
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (06:28:55/09-16-13)
Maybe what we see here is also rsnnnaissance of bpood magic. It is the fact, that blood magic can be useed to increase fertility of the land etc. To drop the food suply, increase consummers fear, cause famine, even if unwillingly, due to great overextension of the nations resources in war against the deragon, may become good starting point to use blood magic that way, scoring great publicity as a savior and hero of metahumanity.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: martinchaen on (08:45:49/09-16-13)
Wait, when did Sirrug get geeked? Source?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Belker on (09:39:57/09-16-13)
Sirrug wasn't killed by Aztlan, but was severely wounded. The dragons then banished him somehow. This is covered in two chapters of Stormfront.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Malathis on (10:07:17/09-16-13)
Sirrug wasn't killed by Aztlan, but was severely wounded. The dragons then banished him somehow. This is covered in two chapters of Stormfront.

Was it confirmed that he was banished or was that speculation by Jackpointers?

I know the body disapeared before confirming the killing leaving it a mystery as to whether he was killed or severly wounded. What chapter/page covers the locked up portion?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: martinchaen on (10:43:38/09-16-13)
Doh! Guess that should teach me to mind my own business; haven't had a chance to look at/play Stormfront yet -.-
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:50:05/09-16-13)
Sirrug wasn't killed by Aztlan, but was severely wounded. The dragons then banished him somehow. This is covered in two chapters of Stormfront.

Was it confirmed that he was banished or was that speculation by Jackpointers?

I know the body disapeared before confirming the killing leaving it a mystery as to whether he was killed or severly wounded. What chapter/page covers the locked up portion?

Imprissoned by the same council that exiled Hestaby. As far as you can believe to somebody who says to have ears on the secret dragon council...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mara on (05:49:41/09-17-13)
Sirrug wasn't killed by Aztlan, but was severely wounded. The dragons then banished him somehow. This is covered in two chapters of Stormfront.

Was it confirmed that he was banished or was that speculation by Jackpointers?

I know the body disapeared before confirming the killing leaving it a mystery as to whether he was killed or severly wounded. What chapter/page covers the locked up portion?

Imprissoned by the same council that exiled Hestaby. As far as you can believe to somebody who says to have ears on the secret dragon council...

Unless, of course, the DRAGONS wanted those ears to hear what was being said and done....In which case, how much of what was
heard could be trusted, how much was misdirection, and how much was outright lies?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SpyroD on (06:39:46/09-17-13)
Probably a mix of those, if for Hestaby there is some know facts, namely the destruction of Shasta Mountain lair on other things we can't be sure but in the Lofwyr case we know is a vendicative type and then something he'll do on Black Lodge insult. Which is the interests on anti-Lodge came out I don't know, though.
Apart from that we can't be sure how Hestaby manipulated the news, she got punished as a fact but we don't real know how much and in which terms she could operate, how much real ostracism there is and how much underbench accord.
On Sirrug he was injuried bad and some on the metahuman camp have scores on him for that, one Schwartzkopf or a Rhonabwy or Masaru and even Lung could have reprimand, my take is he's left to regenerate his injuries somewhere with a light ban on his operation afterward, there is some real deal there but we don't really know how much.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (09:05:07/09-17-13)
When I have the time I'll probably make an update of the opening post to identify what metaplots are more or less resolved (i.e. Dragon Civil War) and which take center stage in SR5 (i.e. Sybil virus).
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (16:28:55/09-17-13)
Nothing ever ends.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (16:45:53/09-17-13)
and that is just beautiful
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (20:31:27/09-17-13)
We had an interesting discussion about that during Gen Con.

It turns out that one rogue idea threw eight years of plotting out the window.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (21:09:47/09-17-13)
That always seems to be the case with our hobby.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Silence on (21:11:50/09-17-13)
We had an interesting discussion about that during Gen Con.

It turns out that one rogue idea threw eight years of plotting out the window.

Player, or writer originated?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (21:25:10/09-17-13)
Wakshaani.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Angelone on (22:20:00/09-17-13)
Wakshaani.

Gesundheit

PS- Fun fact my spellchecker knows gesundheit.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (23:11:07/09-17-13)
Wakshaani.

Eep. You'll have to drop me a line about that.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SpyroD on (02:08:07/09-18-13)
Wakshaani.

Eep. You'll have to drop me a line about that.

And then you have to drop us ten thousand  ;D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (02:24:44/09-18-13)
All good things to those who wait.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: SpyroD on (02:29:08/09-18-13)
All good things to those who wait.

What else we could do apart from the incidental half baked ideas?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (09:33:36/09-18-13)
All good things to those who wait.

No big, just worried I dropped somebody's plate-o-plot on the floor. I try to watch out for that!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (13:27:30/09-18-13)
I wonder if we will live long enought to have all this plots uncovered before we ascend ???
Or at least some novels to shed some light on that ;)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (13:42:47/09-18-13)
No.


It all depends on what people propose, what is accepted, what is written, and what gets modified. And then parsing that out over time as plots change through direct and indirect alterations and reconsiderations.

Like I said, the one I'd been thinking about has been brewing for a long time. I wasn't able to work on anything since Clutch, including SR5, and have nothing on my plate as yet. So it's all speculation and whatever I've teased that exists for now. And I've teased a ton of different plots and just random ideas—some of which I planned or hoped to expand upon (and the biggest or most favorite are plotted out five to ten years out absent other writers' and editorial decisions), and others that I intentionally left dangling.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (15:58:55/09-18-13)
I still believe in the old logging rule: For every plot you tie up, be sure to launch two more. I'd *much* rather have dangling plot threads than no threads left at all. :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (02:17:07/09-19-13)
IMNSHO, there should be dangling plotlines all over the place in a properly-evolving game like Shadowrun - because the writers give the GMs 'X, Y, and Z', and let the GM decide what happened with Y and Z while the devs decide what happens with X.  Oh, sure, Y and Z may get developed, but only so far - Act 1-3 is DevWritten, but Acts 4 and 5 are put together at My Table.

And in some cases (the 2057 UCAS Election, Missions results, Prop 23) it gets decided by the fanbase as a whole ...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (02:22:31/09-19-13)
So, out of curriosity...is there any basic plotline, or at least some goals, that stand unchanged and evolves since the beginning of shadowrun? At least for dragons and IEs? Since it would be setting-wise that those entities have plans drawn for realy long run, and forcing them to behave and decide in "human span tempo" would destroy their credibility
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (12:52:07/09-19-13)
Lofwyr, for one, and ALamais (RIP) for another. Lung and Ryumyu, the Irish Tir, the Rain Queen, African ELves, Pomyra, several others.

Not everything's going according to plan of course, but, by and large, good to go.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (14:04:53/09-19-13)
I can't recall who else mentioned it, I think maybe Wak, but this latest dustup among the Greats also showed that the immortals may have long-term plans, but at a (literally) lightspeed pace the Sixth World could not give less of a fuck about anyone's long-term plans.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (18:02:13/09-19-13)
I can't recall who else mentioned it, I think maybe Wak, but this latest dustup among the Greats also showed that the immortals may have long-term plans, but at a (literally) lightspeed pace the Sixth World could not give less of a fuck about anyone's long-term plans.

I would think that IEs are as powerfull players as GDs, and with exception of what I would call posession of Halequinn, they are as subtle as GDs. Nothing else would let them survive this long and influence human civilization developement this significantly (now Im thinking about Leonardo and his impulses for innovation, Harlequin being the part of memesphere even before awakening etc. and also trackin their heirs and spike babies like Dodger or Frosty)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Tzeentch on (20:32:31/10-29-13)
So, out of curriosity...is there any basic plotline, or at least some goals, that stand unchanged and evolves since the beginning of shadowrun?
-- Tir na nOg? It's basically been untouched since their sourcebook came out. The only "big" plot movement was that the mists around the place were dissipating. Whoopedy doo.
-- Tsimshian AFAIK has basically followed the original design intent. Most of the NAN has been in stasis since they got updated in SONA. The Caribbean League is totally unchanged since SR1 except PERHAPS the events in Puerto Rico. Amazonia and Azania are both pretty much canon time warps too.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (22:45:06/10-29-13)
There was also the whole NEEC application TNO was undertaking, but they'd be fools to continue trying to get into that club. Especially since opening up their borders and economy ended up just making a mess of things.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:43:47/10-30-13)
There was also the whole NEEC application TNO was undertaking, but they'd be fools to continue trying to get into that club. Especially since opening up their borders and economy ended up just making a mess of things.
TNO?

Lofwyr, for one, and ALamais (RIP) for another. Lung and Ryumyu, the Irish Tir, the Rain Queen, African ELves, Pomyra, several others.

Not everything's going according to plan of course, but, by and large, good to go.

Pomyra?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: martinchaen on (15:42:59/10-30-13)
Guessing TNO means Tír na nÓg. The Nameless One just doesn't make any sense in this context :)

Pomyra seems to be related to the Allied German States, being an Elven duchy somewhere in Germany as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (19:41:34/10-30-13)
Yeah, Aithne Oakforest moved there after Lofwyr ate his kid for bashing dragon eggs. Kindof like a European version of Tir Tairngir.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (20:20:35/10-30-13)
Yeah, Aithne Oakforest moved there after Lofwyr ate his kid for bashing dragon eggs. Kindof like a European version of Tir Tairngir.

Pomorya.

There's a Pegasus storyline that began when SR4 was published, and that's been referenced in a couple books like Corporate Guide, about Lofwyr actively undermining the regime and Oakforest naturally taking sides against him. As I recall it began with S-K letting them suffer during Crash 2.0 and just escalated from there to include the brother(?) of the head of S-K North America trying to usurp the ruling Grand Duke.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Malathis on (10:11:02/10-31-13)
I thought it was the other way around, Tir Tangiere was a western version of Tir na nog, Tir na nog being the original elven nation and tangiere being the one founded by exiles or something like that.

I know, I know, something or other about antic's, just checking if I've got the history right in my head.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (13:00:30/10-31-13)
Tir Tairngir and Tir Nan Og are like two sides of the same coin, Malathis, and they came to be within a year or two of eachother. TT is, for all its feudal class structure and neo-fantasy tourist trade, a modern country that does not have a great deal of religious or spiritual background. TNO, on the other hand, goes whole hog in the Celtic mythos, and their Path of the Wheel philosophy/religion/whatever. And the two countries don't get along that well.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Malathis on (14:22:33/10-31-13)
Tir Tairngir and Tir Nan Og are like two sides of the same coin, Malathis, and they came to be within a year or two of eachother. TT is, for all its feudal class structure and neo-fantasy tourist trade, a modern country that does not have a great deal of religious or spiritual background. TNO, on the other hand, goes whole hog in the Celtic mythos, and their Path of the Wheel philosophy/religion/whatever. And the two countries don't get along that well.

Sorry wasn't as clear as I could have been, I was more referencing thier 4th world counter parts. I'm a bit hazy on the various elven kingdoms from then.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (21:58:12/10-31-13)
Well, there was one big elven empire that fractured shortly before the Scourge, as the Elven Court (led by Alachia) thought they could do a better job of creating a defense against the Horrors than the Therans could. They were wrong, and ended up having to Corrupt their entire population and the Wyrm Wood where they lived to stave off the worst of the Horrors. When the Scourge ended, the other elves took a dim view of the Blood Elves, as they were now called, and basically shunned them. It is hard to say for certain, since they didn't use names as we'd see them on the map today, but it is suspected that the Blood Wood was near present day Chernobyl, since when translated into English, the name apparently means 'worm wood'. Which would explain why they didn't try to rebuild their kingdom there.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: RulezLawyerZ on (16:09:51/06-17-14)
Arise, ye thread, and live again!

Anyone got a list of the active metaplots? I'm pretty focused on the stuff that affects my own game, but hazy on the rest. The ones I'm tracking are:

Dragons - Big shake-ups in the status quo. Hestaby's on the run, broke, licking her wounds and plotting her revenge. Ghostwalker's back in the FRFZ, also licking his wounds after going mano a draco with Harlequin (or a reasonable facsimile thereof). Lowfyr's pulled out of the spotlight, possibly to grieve for his brother, but more likely to tend to his other projects (remember, Everything). Sirrug survived but was banished, maybe to dragon-jail, Celedyr is now Loremaster, and all the rest are pretty much the same.

CFD - Sybil's hit the Big Leagues, causing a big chunk of Boston to be quarantined, while we're learning more and more about it's origin. Contagion looks like it's even more wide-spread than anyone thought, with several strains based on the source of the infectious nanites, not all of whom get along.

Seattle - Gov. Brackhaven is in the process of tying his own noose as the debacle that was Prop 23 is revealed, as is his involvement in trying to kill it.

Denver - Azzies are back, and while Ghostwalker maintains that he's the king of the proverbial mountain, the power dynamic has shifted quite a bit. At the very least, he's too busy playing house with Zebulon (who I'm beginning to think is actually the ghost of his dead mate from the ED days) to kick them out. UCAS and... Sioux? forces have pulled out of the ZDF, but stayed in their respective sectors, making the FRFZ kind of a tense place to be at the moment.

The Infected - HMHVV is changing its hosts, making them more bestial. At the same time, some of them are getting more organized, and trying to reassert themselves as apex predators.

I know that's not all that's happening in the world. What'd I leave out?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (18:05:31/06-17-14)
Denver - Azzies are back, and while Ghostwalker maintains that he's the king of the proverbial mountain, the power dynamic has shifted quite a bit. At the very least, he's too busy playing house with Zebulon (who I'm beginning to think is actually the ghost of his dead mate from the ED days) to kick them out.
Not a ghost in the SR meaning of the word, but yes, Zebulon is his long lost mate.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: ChewyGranola on (10:28:33/06-18-14)
Arise, ye thread, and live again!

Anyone got a list of the active metaplots? I'm pretty focused on the stuff that affects my own game, but hazy on the rest. The ones I'm tracking are:

Dragons - Big shake-ups in the status quo. Hestaby's on the run, broke, licking her wounds and plotting her revenge. Ghostwalker's back in the FRFZ, also licking his wounds after going mano a draco with Harlequin (or a reasonable facsimile thereof). Lowfyr's pulled out of the spotlight, possibly to grieve for his brother, but more likely to tend to his other projects (remember, Everything). Sirrug survived but was banished, maybe to dragon-jail, Celedyr is now Loremaster, and all the rest are pretty much the same.

CFD - Sybil's hit the Big Leagues, causing a big chunk of Boston to be quarantined, while we're learning more and more about it's origin. Contagion looks like it's even more wide-spread than anyone thought, with several strains based on the source of the infectious nanites, not all of whom get along.

Seattle - Gov. Brackhaven is in the process of tying his own noose as the debacle that was Prop 23 is revealed, as is his involvement in trying to kill it.

Denver - Azzies are back, and while Ghostwalker maintains that he's the king of the proverbial mountain, the power dynamic has shifted quite a bit. At the very least, he's too busy playing house with Zebulon (who I'm beginning to think is actually the ghost of his dead mate from the ED days) to kick them out. UCAS and... Sioux? forces have pulled out of the ZDF, but stayed in their respective sectors, making the FRFZ kind of a tense place to be at the moment.

The Infected - HMHVV is changing its hosts, making them more bestial. At the same time, some of them are getting more organized, and trying to reassert themselves as apex predators.

I know that's not all that's happening in the world. What'd I leave out?

Which books are these plots from? I read Clutch of Dragons, but don't remember anything like what you are describing. Is this all Storm Front stuff? If so, I'm going to just have to up and buy that book.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: RulezLawyerZ on (11:43:53/06-18-14)
Which books are these plots from? I read Clutch of Dragons, but don't remember anything like what you are describing. Is this all Storm Front stuff? If so, I'm going to just have to up and buy that book.

Mostly Storm Front, a little bit from ... dammit, I can never keep Shattered States and Stolen Souls straight, and bits and pieces from other places that have lodged in my drift-net brain.

And Crimsondude, thanks for the confirmation!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (12:05:47/06-18-14)
Finally found the time to update my opening post with the latest stuff. As usual, I'm pretty sure I've missed/forgotten some plots, so don't hesitate to tell me :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: ProfGast on (13:39:07/06-18-14)
A couple subplot items I've picked up from Storm Front / New Books, not sure if you'd necessarily put them up in "metaplot" status though:

Asian Dragon Lines and the Ring of Fire - Ryumyo, Lung, Masaru (the dragons) and Wuxing (the megacorp) seem to be entangled in all sorts of geomantic constructions around the Ring of Fire.

Ex-Pacis? - A couple of mentions around Stolen Souls, and the opening fiction for Coyotes seem to imply Pax is around and active.  The last time Pax was active, the Matrix exploded... ... what's planned this time?

Denver - Slightly related to above, during the big shenanigans between the Laughing Man and Doll Maker, Puck was highly active in helping orchestrate events leading to Denver's big blowup.  His parting words (in I believe Storm Front) were that things were just getting started.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (16:07:37/06-18-14)
About the dragon lines in the ring of fire, those have been under contention since the Year of the Comet, when Ryumyo basically set the whole ring of fire off.

Pax hasn't been all that active, but she has apparently developed some kind of ritual technomancy. The only ritual we know of so far is something that drives AIs insane.

As for Puck, I doubt we've seen the end of Puck, or the Jester's Army.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: gyrobot on (00:20:11/10-30-14)
So what would be the general reaction be if Azzies decide to rub it in with a blood ritual of Bogota Citizens and send the Trid to anyone who opposed them? Just a crazy little question I wanted to ask at the Shadowrun Reddit but since it is pretty barren.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (19:40:37/11-11-14)
They would be fragging morons to do it. Right now they have something the Big A doesn't get much of: public opinion on their side. Sacrificing a bunch of civvies is going to throw all that away in a hurry, and call down more fire on their heads.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mystic on (01:44:28/11-17-14)
They would be fragging morons to do it. Right now they have something the Big A doesn't get much of: public opinion on their side. Sacrificing a bunch of civvies is going to throw all that away in a hurry, and call down more fire on their heads.

Pretty much, yeah. Right now the Azzies are the good guys and they want to keep it that way.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (01:49:51/11-17-14)
Well, they'll screw it up eventually - when your entire board of directors is composed of the most criminal  but the only people with a PR machine that comes close is Horizon, and the former just beat the latter like a red-headed stepchild.  But it won't last forever.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sabato Kuroi on (17:39:24/11-17-14)
Did the fight between Harlequin and Ghostwalker get broadcasted?Does the general public know that there's a metahuman who can confront a great dragon directly  and survive for more than 5 seconds?
I remember a rigger (Turbo Bunny?) flying some drones nearby...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (20:17:35/11-17-14)
Sunshine had a few drones up (you don't need to be a rigger to have drones, y'know?), and while it was sent to places like Jackpoint, it is unclear whether it made it past the censors to get on the air.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Michael Chandra on (20:24:05/11-17-14)
Did the fight between Harlequin and Ghostwalker get broadcasted?Does the general public know that there's a metahuman who can confront a great dragon directly  and survive for more than 5 seconds?
I remember a rigger (Turbo Bunny?) flying some drones nearby...
Unfortunately the Tell It To Them Straight section I got on it is empty, so all I got is the Behind The Scenes part that describes Harlequin challenging Ghostwalker.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: gyrobot on (22:06:13/11-21-14)
They would be fragging morons to do it. Right now they have something the Big A doesn't get much of: public opinion on their side. Sacrificing a bunch of civvies is going to throw all that away in a hurry, and call down more fire on their heads.

I don't think it is public opinion so much as everyone else is shitting their pants in fear knowing the "good guys" lost.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mystic on (22:45:09/11-21-14)
Funny how the heals often become the heroes.

Aztlan defeated a great dragon and not just ANY great, Sirrurg aka "The Destroyer". Remember, he was the one who destroyed an entire city (civilians and all), was known to think of metahumanity as nothing more than snacks, wasnt shy about using powerful dragon magic with complete disregard for anything save his own goals, and a whole lot of other nasty stuff. And the Azzies took him down. I'd say that goes a really long way to garnering some public support.

People aren't afraid of Aztlan, they're CHEERING them! They showed that great dragons can be defeated and that humanity isn't necessaraly the sheep they once were, cowering in fear of the dragon threat (Great propoganda, huh?). Yes it's messed up on many levels, but Aztlan and Aztechnology gave metahumanity something the Sixth World is short on: hope.

In short, they ARE the "good guys" now. Wrap your brain around that one.

Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on (01:24:05/11-22-14)
It all depends on which bad guy you fear more.  Most shadowrunners have it straight - you fear the guy who is in your life all the time, as compared to the guy who you have a one-in-a-million chance of interacting with.  But let's face it, Aztechnology has the best spin doctors in the biz working for them, so ....
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (02:29:25/11-22-14)
It all depends on which bad guy you fear more.  Most shadowrunners have it straight - you fear the guy who is in your life all the time, as compared to the guy who you have a one-in-a-million chance of interacting with.  But let's face it, Aztechnology has the best spin doctors in the biz working for them, so ....
Exactly.

The world loves the Azzies. Shadowrunners, though, will always see them as The Devil.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: gyrobot on (14:17:52/11-23-14)
Make sense in context. Still sending a blood ritual snuff tape of their fallen enemies to enemies of the war (especially Shadowrunners like Picador) would be a nice middle finger and reminder of "DONT FUCK WITH US!"

Of course they may also send a snuff tape of a technomancer to clockwork to beat off on as well.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Sichr on (12:43:26/11-24-14)
Blood rituals? What blood rituals. There are no nussian soldiers in Barsaive. Any evidence is faked by our oponents/competitors  :o
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mystic on (17:01:55/11-25-14)
Blood rituals? What blood rituals. There are no nussian soldiers in Barsaive. Any evidence is faked by our oponents/competitors  :o

Bingo.  8)

Make sense in context. Still sending a blood ritual snuff tape of their fallen enemies to enemies of the war (especially Shadowrunners like Picador) would be a nice middle finger and reminder of "DONT FUCK WITH US!"

Of course they may also send a snuff tape of a technomancer to clockwork to beat off on as well.

Or it could backfire. Like all other megas, they also need to employ runners from time to time and while the sacrifices are something of an open secret, most runners know about it but still work for them anyway. It's no more a risk than say being eaten by a dragon if you work for SK or having a group of spec-op badasses from Ares pay you a visit. Still, threatening the runner population like that would ultimately counterproductive and bad for business. Aztechnology is already powerful enough that they don't HAVE to give anyone the "middle finger"; everyone already knows the score. Taking down a great dragon was pretty much all that needed to be said.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: gyrobot on (00:51:16/11-28-14)
Technically Picador is an "enemy combatant", so she is very much fair game for Azzie to use as an "example" for demoralization. True enemies of Azzie so to speak. She is already on the edge after they lost the war, imagine having to watch a video of her surviving comrades or those she had failed to save in Bogota as they are offered in a blood ritual.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mystic on (18:43:31/12-03-14)
Picador is on the edge? Huh, I didn't know. I know she was hurt, but her unit got out relatively unscathed. But they didn't lose the war, thier "client" lost the war. I would think that as long as they got paid, mercs don't care. But I didn't hear anything about Picador being "on the edge". *shrugs*

Also, that does bring me to a few points. I still think it's a boneheaded thing for Aztlan to relase a snuff-vid. First, yeah Picador and the 77th were enemies during the war, but she was a lawful enemy combatant. And while it's never really been spelled out, it's been hinted at there is a code of conduct/rules of engagement/whatever for military contractors to abide by; I see it as a updated Geneva Convention. So, as long as Picador or any lawfull combatant doesnt commit a "warcrime" or something, they technically have protections under international and I would guess corporate law. And the corps love their rules, if for no other reason to exploit them. 

Conversely, doing a snuff-vid on a captured legal combatant would be a violation of said rules/laws and lead to a lot of other corps and or governments taking advantage to knock Aztlan down a few pegs. Why would Aztlan give them the ammo and risk what they've gained? Not to mention...

It would backfire with mercs. To use a real life example, it wouldn't "demoralize" anyone, it would piss them off and galvanise them. I've known a few vets who saw similar things happen to their buddies. Do you know what they do? They don't cower, they go harder if given the chance. That and it's a great way to create martyrs. 

And, like it or not, Aztlan NEEDS mercs (now more than ever). You don't alienate your potential hiring pool by being all evil-mustache twirling or blood thirsty. What self-respecting, top-tier unit would want to work WITH Aztlan/Aztechnology if they knew this was being pulled? SImplty put, the mercenary biz is still a business and sacrificing mercs just to look like a bad-ass is bad for business. Hell, just becsue they worked against you one time, doesnt mean they my not work for you in the future.

But hey, that's just one person's opinion. If in your game you need Aztlan to make a snuff-vid as part of your plot, who am I to argue?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Senko on (04:25:21/02-13-15)
Oh I don't know evil moustache twirling isn't a drawback if it's Moriarty style evil.

"You know what I do, I know one day I may need to do it to you but for the foreseeable future of the next hundred odd years I can get a lot more out of you under the mercenary code. So here's some footage of your companions we caught so you can see there in rather good health at the moment and here's a contract to help occupy these areas. It's not as generous as we usually offer but it's still very nice and the best we can currently do. You'll notice clause 7b deals with the release of those companions if you accept, and not in a release to god way but rather to you."

Twirls moustache.

A few not so veiled hints of how things can go, a very tasty carrot and a savings as you turn an enemy into a catspaw. I agree though Atzlan are generally the bad guys but here they've just shown metahumanity can meet even the biggest threats and come out on top which is a major PR gain if they play it right.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: friczvonbrock on (17:15:38/08-19-15)
[SPOILER] (Im new here, but I think that it needs cause I'm telling one possible end of an adventure)
Anyone knows what happened with Seattle politics?
Cause I've played the Splintered States and in my ending, the players took the proposition of the Mitsuhama and made a great extraction of the information about the prop 23.

I was reading the sprawl wilds and there, one of the four adventures says that the prop 23 passed and they'll exterminate the ork underground...
But... What really happened?
In my actual campaign Kenneth is still answering for that in media, but everything can happens.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (00:52:34/08-20-15)
The last info on Prop 23 is from STorm Front, where it details teh final vote tally (Which was *insanely* close!) and sets up the near future. Investigations, corporate rejiggering, new SINs being passed out ... it's a whole lot of chaos, waiting for opportunistic individuals!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: friczvonbrock on (10:19:31/08-20-15)
Ok... but I think the Splintered States was after those events, the adventure passes in 2075.
What you guys think it would be more interesting an adventure where the Runners get involved in that again?
If yes, that would be a nice idea to fight against KE exterminating the Ork Underground or that Kenneth will take an impeachment...

Thanks y'all
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (11:27:18/08-20-15)
KE wants nothing to do with the Underground and has been fighting the responsibility.

So Renraku stepped up and said "I'll do it!".

You'll see more about THAT later. (mwa-hahaha.)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: friczvonbrock on (11:54:34/08-20-15)
Hahaha that would be a great idea and a great rise to Renraku, in Seattle Scenario!!
Very good, I'll work my mind on that idea  ;)

Thanks very much
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Dinendae on (16:31:24/03-11-16)
KE wants nothing to do with the Underground and has been fighting the responsibility.

So Renraku stepped up and said "I'll do it!".

You'll see more about THAT later. (mwa-hahaha.)


Time to test out that new all-drone policing force? The kids will love it!  ;D
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (00:08:46/03-12-16)
Time to test out that new all-drone policing force? The kids will love it!  ;D

Hey, is that a police drone in Rigger 5? That talks about Renraku? Hmmm...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (03:36:33/03-12-16)
Time to test out that new all-drone policing force? The kids will love it!  ;D

Hey, is that a police drone in Rigger 5? That talks about Renraku? Hmmm...
Renraku autonomous security drones: Battle Born
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: AirBreather on (09:40:41/03-21-16)
Shadow Spirits Unleashed: The Shadow Spirits Oblivion and Maelstrom have been feeding from the Aztlan War and the conflict in Denver and growing in power. By the way, they actually might be Horrors. Oops.
Books: Storm Front and a bunch of others

Does anybody know what the 'bunch of others' books refer to?

~AB
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: MijRai on (10:46:14/03-21-16)
War! and Hazard Pay both have information on those two; Hazard Pay even has their 4th Edition bounties (way too low in my mind, but hey). 
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: AirBreather on (11:02:10/03-22-16)
War! and Hazard Pay both have information on those two; Hazard Pay even has their 4th Edition bounties (way too low in my mind, but hey).

Thanks, much appreciated!

~AB
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: EiraHaexa on (01:01:05/07-27-16)
Keep in mind the rumor that a dragon has given her shelter. She might very well get some loot to help her get back on her feet, then go Shadow.

I don't know this rumor.  Is this in-game, whether IC or OOC (i.e. in one of the supplements as in-character conversation, or in the technicals section as a rumor), or is this scuttlebutt amongst players?  If it's the former, I must have missed it in my reading - can you point me to it?

Considering dragons, that kind of help is gonna come with some pretty thick strings attached.

Depends on the dragon, really.  I know who my first guess would be, though.

I have the theory that she's keeping her head down at the Chateau D'if.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (08:03:41/07-28-16)
It's been a while, but i've updated the opening post with some of the recent stuff.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (03:45:11/07-30-16)
It'll be nice when people actually get their hands on Seattle Sprawl.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (00:22:07/07-31-16)
Oh yes. There's a lot of little things hidden in that sucker.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Lorebane24 on (01:52:18/09-16-16)
Oh yes. There's a lot of little things hidden in that sucker.

Is the allusion to Rox-in-a-Box being responsible for the crash of 29 one of those, or is that old news?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (10:59:24/09-18-16)
Oh yes. There's a lot of little things hidden in that sucker.

Is the allusion to Rox-in-a-Box being responsible for the crash of 29 one of those, or is that old news?

No. That's just an added bonus. There are many plot teasers and ideas throughout the material.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (11:27:46/11-23-16)
Oh yes. There's a lot of little things hidden in that sucker.

Is the allusion to Rox-in-a-Box being responsible for the crash of 29 one of those, or is that old news?

*reminded of things*

Gah.

Ahem.

Rox's connection to the Crash Virus can be found in the Dragonheart Trilogy of novels, if my brain works right.

That's also one of Alice's final pop-ups.

Of course, when she poofed, that left Wonderland unoccupied...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Reshy on (20:21:14/02-15-17)
For the backburner metaplots might be worth mentioning that Masaru (A Great Dragon) joined the Draco Foundation as a trustee, but Hestaby was not.  But more importantly Nadja attempted a hostile take over of an ares research corp.


Quote
>Ares acquired Institute Thaumaturgique du Québec when CatCo crumbled. Instead of merging the research corp with Xerxes Positive Research, Ares held it at a distance at the behest of Damian Knight himself. The move turned out to be a smart one. ITQ barely survived a hostile takeover by a conglomerate of companies a year after its acquisition. Most of those companies listed in the takeover bid were indirectly connected to the Draco Foundation, including MechAnima, Libra Holdings, and Centurion Financial, strengthening the claim that it was a bid orchestrated by Nadja Daviar.
> Mr. Bonds
Street Grimoire
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (11:27:37/03-15-17)
About the fall of one of the AAA corp, Book of the Lost contains some hints that...

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Of course all of that appears through cryptic prophecies and Tarot readings, so time will tell how much will actually come to pass, and how... :)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (12:28:08/03-15-17)
For the backburner metaplots might be worth mentioning that Masaru (A Great Dragon) joined the Draco Foundation as a trustee, but Hestaby was not.

That happened way back in The Clutch of Dragons.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (17:30:59/03-26-17)
Updated the OP with some of the stuff happening in Book of the Lost and Cutting Aces.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (18:23:54/03-26-17)
*quietly wrapping up Future Product*

*glances at the original post and the note stherein*

*giggles terribly and sends files up the chain*
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (09:25:12/03-28-17)
*quietly wrapping up Future Product*

*glances at the original post and the note stherein*

*giggles terribly and sends files up the chain*

Such a tease :p

BTW, I've also added the current Denver metaplot to the list.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ghost Rigger on (10:02:03/03-28-17)
*quietly wrapping up Future Product*

*glances at the original post and the note stherein*

*giggles terribly and sends files up the chain*
What have you done?

What have you done?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Longshot23 on (12:42:01/03-28-17)
The Denver Nexus putting crosshairs (at minimum) on members of Jackpoint. What do they know? What do they believe?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ghost Rigger on (13:04:12/03-28-17)
It probably has something to do with Puck doing stuff involving the Nexus in False Flag and being granted Jackpoint posting privileges in Data Trails. I don't know how the rest of you feel about him, but my opinion of him has been pretty low since I read through False Flag. If I ever run into him, I'll riddle him with APDS as soon as it's convenient for me.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (13:19:12/03-28-17)
Puck is a rather complex guy. I enjoy writing him quite a bit and the question of where his loyalties ultimately lie, and why he does some of the things he does, is always up in the air. He's worked for and against Deus, for and against Pax, he and FastJack have some kind of a deal, he's worked with Harlequin, or his rogue ally spirit, in Denver, and then there's what he does in 10 AIs which y'all still haven't seen (one day, it'll see print!) ... whatever he's doing, he's someone to keep an eye on, but it's hard as he's quite good at vanishing for months, or even years, at a time.

And we haven't even talked about his time as a captive...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: EiraHaexa on (13:35:05/03-28-17)
Puck is a rather complex guy. I enjoy writing him quite a bit and the question of where his loyalties ultimately lie, and why he does some of the things he does, is always up in the air. He's worked for and against Deus, for and against Pax, he and FastJack have some kind of a deal, he's worked with Harlequin, or his rogue ally spirit, in Denver, and then there's what he does in 10 AIs which y'all still haven't seen (one day, it'll see print!) ... whatever he's doing, he's someone to keep an eye on, but it's hard as he's quite good at vanishing for months, or even years, at a time.

And we haven't even talked about his time as a captive...
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I briefly considered writing a fanfic involving Puck, where my Decker NPC meets him while hunting down Network nodes and the two end up in the matrix equivalent of fisticuffs.

However, I ultimately decided "not my circus, not my monkey."
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ghost Rigger on (14:11:51/03-28-17)
That complexity might make him fun to write, and maybe even fun to read in a novel. But from a player perspective? I haven't been in this long enough to know everything that he's done, but personally his complexity is what puts Puck in my cross-hairs. I know he's got a lot of baggage that I don't want to get caught up in, and what better way is there to wash my hands of him than killing him and burying him in a shallow grave in the barrens? Other reasons to kill Puck include:
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: EiraHaexa on (14:42:27/03-28-17)
That complexity might make him fun to write, and maybe even fun to read in a novel. But from a player perspective? I haven't been in this long enough to know everything that he's done, but personally his complexity is what puts Puck in my cross-hairs. I know he's got a lot of baggage that I don't want to get caught up in, and what better way is there to wash my hands of him than killing him and burying him in a shallow grave in the barrens? Other reasons to kill Puck include:
  • He's not that hard to kill in meatspace.
  • Killing him is an easy way to mess with the big picture, and messing with the big picture is fun.
    • He's a big player and a Jackpointer, so killing him will probably increase my social status.
    • He's not universally liked, so I can reasonably expect to get away with killing him.
    • He's a technomancer. I have my own reasons not to like technomancers.
    • He probably thinks he's better than me.
    • He's probably only letting me live because I might be of use to him in the future.
    • He's a technomancer and a Jackpointer, so he's part of the hacker elite currently waggling their e-peens over the rest of the shadowrunning community like they're some sort of Matrix god-kings.
    And most importantly of all,
    • He's a bloody spotlight thief in False Flag. Has no one learned from that one unpleasant line of Harlequin modules?
My decker NPC used to work for Renraku, and survived the Shutdown. Lost his wife and daughter, and has had a massive hate-on for Deus ever since. He has his own reasons for wanting to kill not just Puck, but all of the Whites still living. [/list]
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ghost Rigger on (15:24:14/03-28-17)
See, that's exactly the sort of baggage I don't want to get tangled up in. Granted, every runner builds up their own list of reasons why they're on other peoples' shit lists; in the case of the streetsam I'm playing, those reasons involve shooting people, causing collateral damage to property while shooting people and giving all the survivors PTSD. You don't even want to know what I did in Kitimat in my last session. But that's nothing compared to what Puck's gotten involved in.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Crimsondude on (02:44:33/03-29-17)
  • He's a bloody spotlight thief in False Flag. Has no one learned from that one unpleasant line of Harlequin modules?
Shadowrunners can learn?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ghost Rigger on (09:00:37/03-29-17)
Well, you can spend karma to improve your skills and gain new ones, can't you?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Neojudas on (00:16:31/05-09-17)
  • He's a bloody spotlight thief in False Flag. Has no one learned from that one unpleasant line of Harlequin modules?
Shadowrunners can learn?
If you have to ask the question you haven't either.  Or, you've had too much OxyCaf.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (01:37:06/05-09-17)
Looking forward to the Forbidden Arcana updates for this one.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (05:42:52/05-09-17)
Looking forward to the Forbidden Arcana updates for this one.

You can send me a PM listing all the metaplot hints contained in the book, if you want to make sure I won't forget anything :p
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (08:55:56/05-09-17)
Looking forward to the Forbidden Arcana updates for this one.

You can send me a PM listing all the metaplot hints contained in the book, if you want to make sure I won't forget anything :p

What? And miss all the fun? Oh no.  (Plus, I'd hate to give away future stuff by accident.)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Marzhin on (11:22:16/05-09-17)
What? And miss all the fun? Oh no.  (Plus, I'd hate to give away future stuff by accident.)

There goes my cunning trap!
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Wakshaani on (15:19:09/05-09-17)
What? And miss all the fun? Oh no.  (Plus, I'd hate to give away future stuff by accident.)

There goes my cunning trap!

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/692/118/2db.jpg)
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Prime Mover on (13:11:57/07-11-17)
Would like to know who current mayor of Seattle is?
So CFD?  Whats going in Boston now?
Why is the world not stepping in to end Ghostwalkers chaos in Denver?

Shadowrun needs a yearly metaplot recap.  Should resurrect State of the Art.


Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (13:31:54/07-11-17)
I can tell you straight up why the world isn't stepping in to try and stop Ghostwalker. Simply put, they can't, not without glassing all of Denver, and even that might not work. Remember, it took a metric shitton of military gear and experimental biomanaweapons to take down Sirrurg, and the fallout from the biomanaweapon used caused everyone in Bogota to go on a mad killing spree. Now what do you think would happen if that kind of thing was launched over Denver? And where would the fallout go? What if, say, it floated over to Chicago, and woke up all those bugs that are still hibernating in the former CZ?

Without another Great Dragon or a bunch of Immortal Elves, you're not going to take Denver from Ghostwalker.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Prime Mover on (14:47:29/07-11-17)
Got to imagine there are diplomatic measures that can be taken short of all out war. Making it impossible to rule effectively is a viable option to glassing an innocent civilian population.  Don't get me wrong, Ripping Reality put a big smile on my face.

And I know it makes for a good story but all of current SR's meta plots seem to exist in there own vacuum.  My GM style has always been one where my players get tangled deeply in these meta plots.  That means I face a lot of questions and generally like to have a resolution or at least a chapter ending for parties involved.

It's why steered away from CFD.  It's gone from earth shaking to almost afterthought.  It's possible I'm missing something or a big reveal is still forthcoming. Just had hard time sticking with it without a direction to go.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Beta on (21:46:49/07-11-17)
To me it felt like there was a reevaluation of how strong CFD was as a metaphor, or how much fans liked it, and they decided to wind it down as reasonably quickly as they could.  There was quite a bit of fluff about it in Chrome Flesh, and given that they sadly don't publish adventures anymore - except for Missions and con one offs -- so there isn't a ton else to do about it.

I do have a rant brewing about how most of the cool adventure material shows up in shadow talk, but that is for another time.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ragnarok on (23:11:36/08-29-17)
To me it felt like there was a reevaluation of how strong CFD was as a metaphor, or how much fans liked it, and they decided to wind it down as reasonably quickly as they could.  There was quite a bit of fluff about it in Chrome Flesh, and given that they sadly don't publish adventures anymore - except for Missions and con one offs -- so there isn't a ton else to do about it.

I do have a rant brewing about how most of the cool adventure material shows up in shadow talk, but that is for another time.

I always enjoy the banter between the various Jackpointers.  Some of it can be quite entertaining.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ragnarok on (16:08:44/09-10-17)
Since the metaplot of CFD is currently over, anyone know what the fate of FastJack is?  Will we ever see FastJack on Jackpoint ever again?
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Opti on (16:34:39/09-10-17)
is the current metaplot of CFD over? I don't think that is the case...
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Ragnarok on (18:47:15/09-10-17)
is the current metaplot of CFD over? I don't think that is the case...

I don't recall where I read it, but I was under the impression that the CFD plot was being relegated to the back burner.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (02:44:18/09-11-17)
Well, there's no cure, but some of the headcases are going to Mars. Boston is still Bug City 2.0, but NeoNET is officially falling. There was probably supposed to be other stuff that tied in with the Shadowrun Chronicles game, but since that failed horribly, they waited forever and now the whole plot's stale. Maybe they'll pick it back up again, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Tassyr on (14:38:07/09-11-17)
Wait, when'd they go to Mars? Last I heard it was the Orbitals... though it wouldn't be beyond me to miss something serious.
Title: Re: The current Metaplots
Post by: Mirikon on (16:45:14/09-11-17)
They took over Evo's Gagarin Base on Mars, and basically sent out a call for others to join them.