[cyclonus743]

the damage value for a damage spell such as flamethrower is Force + net hits?

Can't spell i guess

[Qemuel]

P.204 SR4A:

The base Damage Value for Combat spells is based on Force, which is chosen by the magician at the time of casting.  Any net hits scored on the Spellcasting Test increase the DV by 1 per net hit.


So assuming you meant Force, rather than focus, yes, you are correct.

[cyclonus743]

Thanks for the paydata

[TranKirsaKali]

yes damage is force + hits capped by the spells force.  In other words I cast a force 6 mana ball I get 12 successes.  I still only do 12 damage.

[The_Gun_Nut]

"Only" 12 damage, which kills about 95% of the people on the planet.  Ouch.

[Doc Chaos]

Well, they still get a soak roll to those 12 points of damage, so it kills only 90% of the people on this planet

[DarkLloyd]

not after a resist roll with 4 sucsesses. Thats only 8 damage. everyone on the planet has 9 boxes minimum. 

EDIT : Dangit Doc roosterboy'ed me.

[Doc Chaos]

Rooster...boy'd...? My lingo soft is a little short on slang, sorry

[DarkLloyd]

Sorry a carry over from the battletech forums.....
The guy who most often posts new event first is/was roosterboy, and when other people posted a new thread on the same thing someone invaribly  told them "Roosterboy already posted this. Go there." eventually it got chopped down to "you've been Roosterboy'ed" and then to being "RB'ed".

Sorry for the cross forum contamination there. lol

[Doc Chaos]

No problem. Great, now I have "Alice in chains" stuck in my head. "Heeeeeeey, here come the roooooster..."

[TranKirsaKali]

not after a resist roll with 4 sucsesses. Thats only 8 damage. everyone on the planet has 9 boxes minimum. 

EDIT : Dangit Doc roosterboy'ed me.

And that is why I now cast at least at a force 7 or 8 now.  I just want stuff dead.

[Shadowwalker]

not after a resist roll with 4 sucsesses. Thats only 8 damage. everyone on the planet has 9 boxes minimum. 

EDIT : Dangit Doc roosterboy'ed me.

And that is why I now cast at least at a force 7 or 8 now.  I just want stuff dead.

But will you be conscious to ensure that they are and did not have a Mage doing the counterspell hojo afterward?

[Doc Chaos]

Conscious is the least worry, Magic 7 or 8 is not that common, so most of the time thats gonna be physical drain...

[voydangel]

yes damage is force + hits capped by the spells force.  In other words I cast a force 6 mana ball I get 12 successes.  I still only do 12 damage.

Hits (not net hits) is capped by the force of the spell, so in the case of indirect spells like flamethrower (from the OPs example), you would first be limited on successes on the cast by force, and then would lose more hits to their reaction roll, and then they would get to soak.

Example: Bob casts Flamethrower at Steve at a force of 4 (cause he doesn't want to overcast). He gets really lucky when he rolls his spellcasting + magic and gets 7 successes. Unfortunately, the force of the spell limits his hits to 4. So Bobs final adjusted flamethrower spell is force 4 with 4 hits. Steve rolls reaction and gets 2 successes leaving Bob with a force 4 flamethrower spell with only 2 net hits. Now Steve rolls to resist the 6p(fire) damage...

[Doc Chaos]

Steve will most likely still suffer from elemental flame effects, though. Those can be real pain...