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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #15 on: (06:03:45/07-25-17) »
Please tell me this will come out in print too. I've been waiting since First Edition for this book!

Yes, this will be coming out in print, though no dates confirmed yet.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #16 on: (06:47:42/07-25-17) »
And still no sign of a TM book...
Sure there is... 

You wanted a Trog Manual and here it is. :P



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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #17 on: (08:27:48/07-25-17) »
I like most of it, particularly the Qualities, and the trog hero section, I found King Alfonso the 13th and Bulk Deals to be very compelling. The language section is also very cute. My only real issue is example characters. I understand that you want players to have room to grow, but at the same time, Does the editing staff actually want to see characters like those show up at tables? Just the first one makes me cringe, a troll techno, with B skills and and D attributes, for what is the most Multi-attribute dependent archetype, and then not a single 6 in the skill list, my favorite part has pilot ground vehicle 3 but has no vehicle.
 
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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #18 on: (15:39:37/07-25-17) »
I found King Alfonso the 13th ... to be very compelling.
How so? I only ended up writing those latter entries and his was by far the most difficult. For time and space considerations I have a list of dozens of existing trolls and orks who we never even covered, either directly or by referencing their legacies, and another dozen originals. So I'm glad that we even got a chance to do this much.
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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #19 on: (16:11:05/07-25-17) »
And what's wrong with someone stepping in to work on the eBooks until that whoever will step back in?

Because there is not really a supply of other someones with attached budgets to leap into the work.

I spent much of the year working on a new budget framework to get ebooks moving. They are moving now, though most motion so far has been behind the scenes. That's about to change--an adventure called Lethal Forces has been sent to layout, and more progress is happening. So the backlog of products that have been waiting longer than the TM book are moving, which will eventually lead to the TM book.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #20 on: (17:25:05/07-25-17) »
I found King Alfonso the 13th ... to be very compelling.
How so? I only ended up writing those latter entries and his was by far the most difficult. For time and space considerations I have a list of dozens of existing trolls and orks who we never even covered, either directly or by referencing their legacies, and another dozen originals. So I'm glad that we even got a chance to do this much.

We see so much of the "royalty" on the elf side of the equation i though it was excellent to see one on the other side. The Trog image is so sort of "Gangster", it's a good change. Also as a very amature historian I thought the portrayal of him as a technocratic monarch but one that was still loyal to the Catholic Church, very well represented the paradoxical role of the Spanish crown.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #21 on: (18:40:56/07-25-17) »
I found King Alfonso the 13th ... to be very compelling.
How so? I only ended up writing those latter entries and his was by far the most difficult. For time and space considerations I have a list of dozens of existing trolls and orks who we never even covered, either directly or by referencing their legacies, and another dozen originals. So I'm glad that we even got a chance to do this much.

We see so much of the "royalty" on the elf side of the equation i though it was excellent to see one on the other side. The Trog image is so sort of "Gangster", it's a good change. Also as a very amature historian I thought the portrayal of him as a technocratic monarch but one that was still loyal to the Catholic Church, very well represented the paradoxical role of the Spanish crown.
Thanks. I spent time in Spain and studied Spanish history at one of their universities (in Spanish) with one of the leading professors on the transition to democracy post-Franco, so I really wanted to make sure I got that right. Like the Monaghan section. Even though laws in Shadowrun are different, the system is the same and there is a historical background to the existing system within the canon that arguably doesn't take into considerations elements of the law that we've come to take for granted. I could go off on that for hours, but anyway, I don't want the legal stuff to look stupid but also has to be written for a lay audience. Otherwise, none of that material benefits anyone and everything that I write is made with the fundamental purpose of being useful for tabletop players.

I was/am afraid of people taking Despain as a symbol of orks being warlike in fulfilling that LotR cliché, but at the same time that is his job and it's been the policy of his President and party for decades, so it's not like it's something unique to him. At the same time, I figured it was obvious enough as not to highlight it.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #22 on: (00:40:26/07-26-17) »
Finding ton of plot update scattered all over place.  Seatles new mayor, fall of Neonet, some Boston news and lots of other little tidbits.  Just over halfway thru still lots to go.
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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #23 on: (07:12:34/07-26-17) »
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of metaplot stuff buried in here.  Not sure how much use most of the rest of the book is, though.  Its a lot of fiction and IC talk about Orks, Trolls, and the organizations that focus on them (for good or ill).  Which is interesting, but most of them are pretty well known  (MoM, Sons of Sauron, Paladin Medical, Human Nation, etc.  The Sweetwater corps are cool and might be useful if you want to run an trog focused game in the CAS.

I am sorely disappointed by the lack of information expanding on the troll and ork metavarients.  There's brief mentions of them here and there, but that's about it.   And even then, its usually just a name drop.  There's no guidance on how it might be different being an Oni or Satyr than a "regular" Ork.  Even though Goat Foot and Mihoshi Oni post, neither of their metatypes are even mentioned in the book as far as I can tell.

There's a few bits of gear, but most of it is just "ooh, a troll sized version of something that already exists."

I've been playing SR off and on since 1st edition and I own nearly everything for 4th and 5th edition.   This is one of the few products where I doubt I'll ever look at it again after the initial read through.  Its not bad quality material.  Its just very little that's new unless you like stats for NPCs like Snopes and Sunshine.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #24 on: (16:29:53/07-28-17) »
Finding ton of plot update scattered all over place.  Seatles new mayor, fall of Neonet, some Boston news and lots of other little tidbits.  Just over halfway thru still lots to go.
I'd really like to see the fall of NeoNET fleshed out a bit more, e.g., how the public became aware of CFD, and how the Corporate Court decided to pin blame on NeoNET, that sort of thing.
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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #25 on: (17:25:42/07-28-17) »
I liked seeing the JackPointer profiles (I had no idea until now that Snopes, Sounder, and Sunshine were orks). The setting info was pretty solid. I guess there could have been more crunchy bits in the way of qualities, weapons, armor, gear, augmentations ... what's there is great, but there could have been more. The short fiction was first-rate -- "Belinda" left me chuckling all afternoon.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #26 on: (10:54:11/07-29-17) »
There are jackpoint profiles? Suddenly I'm way more interested in this book.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #27 on: (10:56:18/07-29-17) »
It's all the trogg ones I think.  Though reddit was saying they don't really follow rules.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #28 on: (13:18:21/07-29-17) »
There are jackpoint profiles? Suddenly I'm way more interested in this book.

2XL, Beaker, Bull, Butch, Clockwork, Snopes, Sounder, and Sunshine, plus other, non-JP runners and NPCs.

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Re: [SR5] The Complete Trog
« Reply #29 on: (18:03:24/07-30-17) »
Pretty fun setting book.  With this can we expect the "The Total Keeb," or "The Whole Halfer?"