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Does anyone know the reasoning behind non-human species?

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« Reply #30 on: <04-11-17/0824:14> »
Pft, being born into the wrong body is nothing. Haven't you noticed that the vast majority of shadowrunners were born into the wrong socioeconomic class and that nearly every campaign revolves around them trying to fix that situation?
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« Reply #31 on: <04-11-17/0829:03> »

 "I am unique and special and their are 3,000 year old prophecies about me"
Reminds me of that one player who had a minotaur character, and basically introduced saying "I descend from the ancient greek gods, now bow."

How did that not end up with the troll adept pulling out his compound bow and shooting his ass?
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« Reply #32 on: <04-11-17/0850:20> »
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How did that not end up with the troll adept pulling out his compound bow and shooting his ass?

Sadly the joke doesn't work in french, but I'm pretty sure it would have happened otherwise.
Going back to the topic (or slightly at least), would you consider Infected as Metahumans ? I mean, before the HMHVV hit them, they certainly were, but after that, they change so much that I do wonder.

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« Reply #33 on: <04-11-17/1625:20> »
[quote

How did that not end up with the troll adept pulling out his compound bow and shooting his ass?

Sadly the joke doesn't work in french, but I'm pretty sure it would have happened otherwise.
Going back to the topic (or slightly at least), would you consider Infected as Metahumans ? I mean, before the HMHVV hit them, they certainly were, but after that, they change so much that I do wonder.

People with leprosy, cancer, elephantiasis, or any other horribly disfiguring disease are still considered human, right?
It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

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« Reply #34 on: <04-11-17/1707:30> »
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How did that not end up with the troll adept pulling out his compound bow and shooting his ass?

Sadly the joke doesn't work in french, but I'm pretty sure it would have happened otherwise.
Going back to the topic (or slightly at least), would you consider Infected as Metahumans ? I mean, before the HMHVV hit them, they certainly were, but after that, they change so much that I do wonder.

People with leprosy, cancer, elephantiasis, or any other horribly disfiguring disease are still considered human, right?

True but this does go a bit further (different powers, reactions, requirements), personally I'd stil say yes they're metahuman.

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« Reply #35 on: <04-11-17/1710:06> »
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How did that not end up with the troll adept pulling out his compound bow and shooting his ass?

Sadly the joke doesn't work in french, but I'm pretty sure it would have happened otherwise.
Going back to the topic (or slightly at least), would you consider Infected as Metahumans ? I mean, before the HMHVV hit them, they certainly were, but after that, they change so much that I do wonder.

People with leprosy, cancer, elephantiasis, or any other horribly disfiguring disease are still considered human, right?

True but this does go a bit further (different powers, reactions, requirements), personally I'd stil say yes they're metahuman.

I feel the same. They're metahumans afflicted with a truly horrifying disease (and I do mean "horrifying" very literally), but they're still metahuman.
It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

"Nothing is wrong if no one can stop you."

Remember, you're only a genius when they need you. The rest of the time you're just an asshole.

Well, drek. Looks like Timmy fell into the Dissonance Well again.

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« Reply #36 on: <04-11-17/1739:55> »
I thought I remember reading that they still count as their original metatype. For example a Troll infected with Strain III (Ghoul) would be targetable by both the Slay Ghoul spell, as well as Slay Troll. On a quick search I couldn't find the quote, but it seems reasonable.

That being said, it would mean that they are still technically metahuman.

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« Reply #37 on: <04-11-17/1748:47> »
I thought I remember reading that they still count as their original metatype. For example a Troll infected with Strain III (Ghoul) would be targetable by both the Slay Ghoul spell, as well as Slay Troll. On a quick search I couldn't find the quote, but it seems reasonable.

That being said, it would mean that they are still technically metahuman.

I remember reading that too, but I'll be damned if I know where.
It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

"Nothing is wrong if no one can stop you."

Remember, you're only a genius when they need you. The rest of the time you're just an asshole.

Well, drek. Looks like Timmy fell into the Dissonance Well again.

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« Reply #38 on: <04-11-17/1824:36> »
I thought I remember reading that they still count as their original metatype. For example a Troll infected with Strain III (Ghoul) would be targetable by both the Slay Ghoul spell, as well as Slay Troll. On a quick search I couldn't find the quote, but it seems reasonable.

That being said, it would mean that they are still technically metahuman.

I remember reading that too, but I'll be damned if I know where.

Ah the Joys of cross edition backtracking.

Sadly in 5th they left it sort of vague, namely Pg 134 of Run Faster
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Becoming Infected does not remove a character’s
inherent metatype abilities. A dwarf becoming a gnawer
does not lose her thermographic vision, for instance.
So the Infected is still of their original metatype, though now what we call a subspecies thanks to some HMHVV-loving, though again thanks to 5th's tendency to leave out various bits in the transition, this can be pretty easy to miss.

For better clarity you need to roll it back to 4th with pg 77 in Runner's Companion:
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Sufficiently Inhuman
The Infected are still metahumans (except for bandersnatchii),
and still subject to most of the things that target
metahumans, but are sufficiently different that they can be categorized
separately using magical theory. Thus, an Infected can
be targeted and affected by a spell that targets its metatype (Slay
Human, Slaughter Ork, etc.) as well as a spell that targets its
specific subspecies (Slay Vampire, Slaughter Busaw, etc.).
The
character can also still take qualities and equipment restricted or
built especially to accommodate her metatype. Bandersnatchii
can be targeted and affected by a spells that target sasquatches
(Slay Sasquatch, etc.) as well as spells that target its specific subspecies
(One Less Bandersnatch, etc.).
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« Reply #39 on: <04-11-17/2018:46> »
I thought I remember reading that they still count as their original metatype. For example a Troll infected with Strain III (Ghoul) would be targetable by both the Slay Ghoul spell, as well as Slay Troll. On a quick search I couldn't find the quote, but it seems reasonable.

That being said, it would mean that they are still technically metahuman.

I remember reading that too, but I'll be damned if I know where.

Ah the Joys of cross edition backtracking.

Sadly in 5th they left it sort of vague, namely Pg 134 of Run Faster
Quote
Becoming Infected does not remove a character’s
inherent metatype abilities. A dwarf becoming a gnawer
does not lose her thermographic vision, for instance.
So the Infected is still of their original metatype, though now what we call a subspecies thanks to some HMHVV-loving, though again thanks to 5th's tendency to leave out various bits in the transition, this can be pretty easy to miss.

For better clarity you need to roll it back to 4th with pg 77 in Runner's Companion:
Quote
Sufficiently Inhuman
The Infected are still metahumans (except for bandersnatchii),
and still subject to most of the things that target
metahumans, but are sufficiently different that they can be categorized
separately using magical theory. Thus, an Infected can
be targeted and affected by a spell that targets its metatype (Slay
Human, Slaughter Ork, etc.) as well as a spell that targets its
specific subspecies (Slay Vampire, Slaughter Busaw, etc.).
The
character can also still take qualities and equipment restricted or
built especially to accommodate her metatype. Bandersnatchii
can be targeted and affected by a spells that target sasquatches
(Slay Sasquatch, etc.) as well as spells that target its specific subspecies
(One Less Bandersnatch, etc.).

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It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

"Nothing is wrong if no one can stop you."

Remember, you're only a genius when they need you. The rest of the time you're just an asshole.

Well, drek. Looks like Timmy fell into the Dissonance Well again.

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« Reply #40 on: <04-11-17/2307:10> »
"I am unique and special and their are 3,000 year old prophecies about me"
It's funny because it's true (and because belief shapes magic in Shadowrun, the myths are why minotaurs even exist).

It also makes me wonder how much belief shapes the traits, i.e. attribute bonuses, to the core metatypes. Because they do for the metavariants.

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« Reply #41 on: <04-12-17/1327:32> »
"I am unique and special and their are 3,000 year old prophecies about me"
It's funny because it's true (and because belief shapes magic in Shadowrun, the myths are why minotaurs even exist).

It also makes me wonder how much belief shapes the traits, i.e. attribute bonuses, to the core metatypes. Because they do for the metavariants.

Probably more than is initially obvious. Might be another reason behind why the IE's wanted to make a purely elven nation. People's beliefs were mutating their race. Might...maybe...I could be full of drek for all I know.
It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

"Nothing is wrong if no one can stop you."

Remember, you're only a genius when they need you. The rest of the time you're just an asshole.

Well, drek. Looks like Timmy fell into the Dissonance Well again.

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« Reply #42 on: <04-12-17/1344:09> »
They got to Tolkien.

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« Reply #43 on: <04-12-17/1403:19> »
They got to Tolkien.

How do we know Tolkien isn't one of them? (I'm looking at you, Ehran...)
It is better to be crazy and know it, than to be sane and have one's doubts.

"Nothing is wrong if no one can stop you."

Remember, you're only a genius when they need you. The rest of the time you're just an asshole.

Well, drek. Looks like Timmy fell into the Dissonance Well again.

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« Reply #44 on: <04-12-17/2315:06> »
I'm pretty sure he get name-checked in an IE conversation. I can't remember between whom, but not as if he was one of them.