Shadowrun
Catalyst Game Labs => Errata => Topic started by: Jack_Spade on <05-26-16/0431:26>
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Dum-di-dum
I like the book, but even at a first glance I found some small errors already:
- For one thing, using the same illustrations on p.84 and 110, resp. 90 and 108 seems like a placeholder oversight
- p.116 Anarch "After ny first encounter"
- p.41 I can't help but think giving the elephant a run multiplier of 18 was not really intended - elephants outrunning cheetahs without effort doesn't seem to be right ;D
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ScytheKnight ... if you have such vehement hatred, why do you even consider yourself part of the community?
Does it really have to be spelled out in excruciating detail that purchase of a "standard" pet would be a few hundred nuyen ... maybe a thousand or two for something exotic ... and that upkeep would be a minor factor to lifestyle cost???
C'mon now ... really? That's like asking why doesn't armor come in sizes ... keep it simple and just have fun it is a game after all
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The post from ScytheKnight has been removed, pending further review.
SR Mod
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This isn't hatetred... this is straw that broke the camel's back frustration.
A for guessing, how in the hell would I know? This is the fist game I've GMed and I have no prior edition knowledge or books to fall back on.
The fact that they could dedicate so much to training, equipping and augmenting a pet, but nothing on acquiring or maintaining one is... it's simply pants on head stupid,it makes no sense and really is an example of just how much of a mess this current system is.
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While I didn't see Scythe's initial post that got deleted I can empathize with his being fed up with the shoddy editing work at Catalyst that ends up with product that needs to be extensively fixed on day one.
It's been years since they said anything publicly about their poor work/ process and they haven't bothered to update or issue any new errata in over a year, maybe two years now?
That's shows a level of disrespect and lack of care towards their loyal customers that is beyond comprehension.
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He was ... upset... that there wasn't a table with costs and availability for said pets if I remember right.
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yep, it's a legitimate concern to be upset when a product doesn't provide what you want or expect ... and yes the product line ... while improving slowly ... has had it's issues
it is another thing entirely to drop the f-bomb and call people morons in a public forum ... especially when it can be fixed with about 5 minutes of research and a decision by the GM, and yes I know CGL could have put forth the same effort and included it in the first place. However, considering how developing and maintaining a game line like Shadowrun works and how little return on investment there is from a company point of view, I for one am extremely happy we are still able to get new material at all.
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Ahem.
So...errata?
Page 102, "no two see leeches look alike.
Also, a query over information on p. 59, when discussing Demon Rats:
"The gamma exhibits regenerative abilities similar to shifter species."
Does this have any bearing on the potential errata for shifters, or should the final four words in the sentence be disregarded?
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However, considering how developing and maintaining a game line like Shadowrun works and how little return on investment there is from a company point of view, I for one am extremely happy we are still able to get new material at all.
I'd trade a year or two of new material for errata.
Also there is a blank square on the "back" of the book. I'm not sure if it's something on my end, but there probably should be some image in that spot.
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So, really what we need is a table (simple enough) from Catalyst that looks something like this...
Critter Name | Nuyen | Availability | Maintenance
Combat Giraffe | 5000Y | 14F | +20% to lifestyle cost or High+
Maybe throw in training cost there too, but that is probably already covered in SR5 under hiring folks for specific skills.
We know the Catalyst employees read the forum so how do we inform them?
I've written "professional" RPG material myself in the past and so I can say with some confidence that we should be able to get an official list of prices within a few hours. Its hardly even a lazy afternoon's work.
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we should be able to get an official list of prices within a few hours. Its hardly even a lazy afternoon's work.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gFTOqOThQhk/UWg1cEHF8RI/AAAAAAAACIc/JHUsTzfV3-o/s1600/waiting+skeleton.jpg)
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So, really what we need is a table (simple enough) from Catalyst that looks something like this...
Critter Name | Nuyen | Availability | Maintenance
Combat Giraffe | 5000Y | 14F | +20% to lifestyle cost or High+
Maybe throw in training cost there too, but that is probably already covered in SR5 under hiring folks for specific skills.
We know the Catalyst employees read the forum so how do we inform them?
I've written "professional" RPG material myself in the past and so I can say with some confidence that we should be able to get an official list of prices within a few hours. Its hardly even a lazy afternoon's work.
the easiest Way would be to copy & paste the list from 4A's Ed Running Wild.
The Prices were pretty High (iirc) so they should fit 5th's Edition pretty much
HokaHey
Medicineman
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While I understand that the cost and maintenance of a critter tied to lifestyle costs makes sense, it will present a number of problems
firstly, what happens with shared households where the lifestyle cost is shared by guests, is it added to the total or the individual?
Secondarily, alot of similarities can be seen between maintenance of critters and maintenance of other gear; while yes the cost of cleaning a gun or armor (Bullet holes in the berwick suit may be expensive though) is negligible; what about maintenance of cars or drones. I would imagine a high tech combat drone would need just as much maintenance as a combat critter (after all the high cost of things like helicopters and jets is the maintenance). from my quick flick through, it seems critters can be an alternative to drones for riggers (which is a cool idea) but may become prohibitively expensive if tied to lifestyle; alternatively it can be quite cheap, if the character lives in a lower lifestyle, after all the critters should provide a excellent form of defense.
On another note
A number of critters have a dash for certain characteristics, does this mean they don't have those attributes or is that meant to read as 0
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While I understand that the cost and maintenance of a critter tied to lifestyle costs makes sense, it will present a number of problems
firstly, what happens with shared households where the lifestyle cost is shared by guests, is it added to the total or the individual?
I'd imagine so. Maybe not in the case of cats or dogs (who probably wouldn't have an additional cost) but if you need a Combat Giraffe pen that needs regular maintenance and cleaning, it probably would.
Secondarily, alot of similarities can be seen between maintenance of critters and maintenance of other gear; while yes the cost of cleaning a gun or armor (Bullet holes in the berwick suit may be expensive though) is negligible; what about maintenance of cars or drones. I would imagine a high tech combat drone would need just as much maintenance as a combat critter (after all the high cost of things like helicopters and jets is the maintenance). from my quick flick through, it seems critters can be an alternative to drones for riggers (which is a cool idea) but may become prohibitively expensive if tied to lifestyle; alternatively it can be quite cheap, if the character lives in a lower lifestyle, after all the critters should provide a excellent form of defense.
I would liken it to buying a garage. If you have a VTOL you need a large garage/hangar to keep it. If shared, everyone has to pay for that (since its part of the lifestyle cost). It would be the same thing.
Of course, if three people are sharing a house and one guy goes out and buys a Battle Beaver and the other two think he is a fucktard, they can just say "We're not paying for that." Then it would be up to the pet's owner to cover the additional charges when it damages the property or keeps turning their chairs into nunchaku.
So, where is the person who wrote this book?
Can someone message them and notify them towards this thread so we can discuss things please.
On another note
A number of critters have a dash for certain characteristics, does this mean they don't have those attributes or is that meant to read as 0
Dash typically means "null" which means they cannot make rolls connected to that stat, rather than 0 which just means their dice pool.
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So, where is the person who wrote this book?
Can someone message them and notify them towards this thread so we can discuss things please.
Have fun with that. There's a lot of freelancing done with CGL. As far as writers go:
Kevin Czamecki
Patrick Goodman
Olivier Gagnon
Jason M. Hardy
Alexander Kadar
Adam Large
Philip A. Lee
Chris Mastey
Aaron Pavao
Scott Schletz
Amy Veeres &
CZ Wright
Note that this doesn't account for playtesting, proofing, or [*sparkles*] line editing [/*sparkles*]
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- P. 81 of the Infected creatures section has fluff that references some ability to lock out certain infected powers in exchange for others e.g. no mist form or regeneration, but better resistance to sun or wood, or have influence/compulsion. There is no crunch in the Game Information section about this.
- Vampires are entirely missing from the Game Information section.
- The Dzoo-noo-qua's skills have a typo: Aaawnsing 4 instead of Assensing 4, which is amusing but understandable.
- Bandersnatches know Animal Calls (professional Knowledge) which doesn't seem like an appropriate knowledge subtype. Maybe something like Impersonation 8 (For Animal Imitation Only)
- Harvesters have sapience, directly contradicting pre-game information fluff
- Bandersnatches and Grendels also have Sapience, and fluff indicates that's probably rare
Other than that I really appreciated all of the insight into social tendencies in them
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- Bandersnatches know Animal Calls (professional Knowledge) which doesn't seem like an appropriate knowledge subtype. Maybe something like Impersonation 8 (For Animal Imitation Only)
One is the ability to imitate animal noises, the other is the knowledge of what they sound like and the ability to identity them. Seems reasonable to me. Its a "Hunters" skill.
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Few things I noticed:
Eagles don't have AP, but are generally described as having super sharp beaks and talons. Also, they walk SUPER quick for birds.
Elephants have the club skills and I'm not sure why, maybe trees?
There seems to be inconsistancy between the stat blocks in relation to each other, elephants have an agility of 4 for instance which seems rather high.
Elephant doesn't have reach listed in their tusks attack, but giraffes do with their kick (may be on purpose I guess, but why have reach at all on em)
Snow Snakes fluff says they are super non agressive (you'd have to step on em AND have em trapped for em to attack) but have a factor of 3.4
Volleying Porcupines don't have a power number for their poop vector.
As a side note: Lesser centaurs are listed as extremely rare, but generally that's the pics you see of em like the cover of run faster.
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Let's see how badly I can mangle this on my phone....
- P. 81 of the Infected creatures section has fluff that references some ability to lock out certain infected powers in exchange for others e.g. no mist form or regeneration, but better resistance to sun or wood, or have influence/compulsion. There is no crunch in the Game Information section about this.
This refers to the modular chargen system in Run Faster, and is also meant to foreshadow/lead into the long-fermenting Children of the Night, which Kevin and I need to do something about Real Soon Now.
- Vampires are entirely missing from the Game Information section.
By design; they're in the core rulebook in all their glory.
- The Dzoo-noo-qua's skills have a typo: Aaawnsing 4 instead of Assensing 4, which is amusing but understandable.
Dammit. Thought I fixed that.
- Bandersnatches know Animal Calls (professional Knowledge) which doesn't seem like an appropriate knowledge subtype. Maybe something like Impersonation 8 (For Animal Imitation Only)
By design. Sasquatches, where bandersnatches come from, also have that skill. Getting Infected doesn't deprive them of the skills they had pre-virus. Shortly you'll see that jabberwocky also have that skill.
- Harvesters have sapience, directly contradicting pre-game information fluff
Because our narrators are completely accurate and unbiased in their assessments. Sapient and feral aren't mutually exclusive.
Harvesters can also conceivably be PCs.
- Bandersnatches and Grendels also have Sapience, and fluff indicates that's probably rare
See above.
Glad you enjoyed; Kevin and I did a lot of work on it.
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Thanks for the reply Patrick! That all makes sense.
Although now you've made me curious what's gonna be in Children of the Night :P
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yep, it's a legitimate concern to be upset when a product doesn't provide what you want or expect ... and yes the product line ... while improving slowly ... has had it's issues
it is another thing entirely to drop the f-bomb and call people morons in a public forum ... especially when it can be fixed with about 5 minutes of research and a decision by the GM, and yes I know CGL could have put forth the same effort and included it in the first place. However, considering how developing and maintaining a game line like Shadowrun works and how little return on investment there is from a company point of view, I for one am extremely happy we are still able to get new material at all.
First of all:
The production line didn't have had issues, it still has and while yes, it did improve, it's still not on an acceptable level.
Second:
"You can fix it yourself (by doing research in old books)" is about the worst response from anyone with as much as a tiny little connection to CGL.
It's factually true of course, but do you know why CGL (and Pegasus) get my Money?
Because I don't want to spend the time to tinker something up with old materials and my own work.
Now do tell me: If I still need to spend time and money (the old sourcebooks aren't free) after paying for a product to make it usable, why should I bother with it in the first hand?
It's really one of these wonderful cases of non-entitlement.
While I am not entitled to any additional customer service after buying the book, you aren't entitled to expect any purchases from unhappy customers.
And your (companies) current quality of production and customer communications from above aren't really bound to create satisfied customers.
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A for guessing, how in the hell would I know? This is the fist game I've GMed and I have no prior edition knowledge or books to fall back on.
I agree with ScytheKnight. I've been playing and GMing Shadowrun since 4E. 5E does a poor job in introducing new players to the world of Shadowrun, the metastory, and the evolution and devolution of rules between editions. Having read majority of 4E material, I can say 5E is missing a lot of information. Even when I played and ran 4E, I had to acquire 3E and 2E material to understand some things. For example, 4E had no information on job payout like 5E does. I had to reference 3E's Shadowrun Companion for examples. I even chose to read through 3E's Mr Johnson's Little Black Book to get a good idea on how to run a Shadowrun game. Players and GM new to the system, starting out with 5E, definitely find it daunting and frustrating. I know I do, and I have experience with this shit.
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Clarification request: Latent Dracomorphosis states that it cannot be combined with Changeling quality. Does this also apply to the quality to start as a drake as well?
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Bit delayed response :-\
On another note
A number of critters have a dash for certain characteristics, does this mean they don't have those attributes or is that meant to read as 0
Dash typically means "null" which means they cannot make rolls connected to that stat, rather than 0 which just means their dice pool.
So if this is the case, some of these critters dont work.
IE, The Ani and Digit in the Technocritter section (possibly issue with other critters but this was my focus)
Both of these critters have Logic '-' which, if means 'null', doesnt make too much sense in meat-space, but as it also is their Data Processing rating, they should properly not exist in the matrix
yes they may use their intuition for matrix tests, and a device may exist without attack, sleaze or even firewall; but data processing seems essential.
Also seems like the stats for deer could have been included earlier in the book, instead of only for Furfur critters, the stat lines are not exactly backwards compatible (see the Flipper who had different mental stats from a dolphin)
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Sigh
The fluff mentions Gabriel Hounds, but they don't exist in any SR5 material. I know they exist in 4E's Running Wild. On top of that, the fluff mentions Gloaming Owls. First time I've heard of them, and they sound awesome. They can induce fear and blind their targets. Found out through the Shadowrun wiki that they are in Paranormal Animals of North America. A 1E book. From 1990! Seriously? They are referencing a paracritter from a 26-year old book? With no stats?
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The fluff mentions Gabriel Hounds, but they don't exist in any SR5 material. I know they exist in 4E's Running Wild. On top of that, the fluff mentions Gloaming Owls. First time I've heard of them, and they sound awesome. They can induce fear and blind their targets. Found out through the Shadowrun wiki that they are in Paranormal Animals of North America. A 1E book. From 1990! Seriously? They are referencing a paracritter from a 26-year old book? With no stats?
Gloaming Owls are also in Running Wild (page 135).
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The fluff mentions Gabriel Hounds, but they don't exist in any SR5 material. I know they exist in 4E's Running Wild. On top of that, the fluff mentions Gloaming Owls. First time I've heard of them, and they sound awesome. They can induce fear and blind their targets. Found out through the Shadowrun wiki that they are in Paranormal Animals of North America. A 1E book. From 1990! Seriously? They are referencing a paracritter from a 26-year old book? With no stats?
Gloaming Owls are also in Running Wild (page 135).
And Gabriel Hounds are detailed in Running Wild page 153, with updated SR5 states in Sprawl Wilds on page 14.
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Bit delayed response :-\
On another note
A number of critters have a dash for certain characteristics, does this mean they don't have those attributes or is that meant to read as 0
Dash typically means "null" which means they cannot make rolls connected to that stat, rather than 0 which just means their dice pool.
Plot twist Resonance is circling the drain so all the critters are losing any intended functionality like many other things...
So if this is the case, some of these critters dont work.
IE, The Ani and Digit in the Technocritter section (possibly issue with other critters but this was my focus)
Both of these critters have Logic '-' which, if means 'null', doesnt make too much sense in meat-space, but as it also is their Data Processing rating, they should properly not exist in the matrix
yes they may use their intuition for matrix tests, and a device may exist without attack, sleaze or even firewall; but data processing seems essential.
Also seems like the stats for deer could have been included earlier in the book, instead of only for Furfur critters, the stat lines are not exactly backwards compatible (see the Flipper who had different mental stats from a dolphin)
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While I can unterstand almost all of the heat directed at HS and 5th Editions horrible editing in general:
The Technocritters-without-logic-thing does not seem that problematik to me. As I unterstand it, those Attribute Ratings are meant to replace the critters natural Attributs. That´s only possible if there is a new value given. If not, I suppose you just use the critter´s naturnal stat for that Attribute, right?
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Although now you've made me curious what's gonna be in Children of the Night :P
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Everywhere: change “Azt-Am War” to “Az-Am War”
Everywhere: make sure skills and powers are listed in alphabetical order.
Page 3 (Contents 95), capitalize “Flatworm Viper”
Page 3 (Contents 114), change “EXTRA PLANAR” to “EXTRAPLANAR” (remove space)
Page 3 (Contents 134), change “VeR” to “Ver” (lowercase “r”)
Page 3 (Contents 135), capitalize “Vucub Caquix”
Page 4 (Contents 184), change “Choose a C0ue” to “Choose a Cue” (remove the “0”)
Page 9 (No Justice, No Peace), change “shadow hounds” to “shadowhounds” (remove space)
Page 10 (Nature Is a Bitch), change “Jackpoint” to “JackPoint” (in-cap P)
Page 11 (Social Animals), change “automatic cleanups drones” to “automatic cleanup drones”
Page 11 (Social Animals), change “standing arrangement” to “standing arrangements”
Page 12 (Social Animals), change “fifty year’s time” to “fifty years’ time”
Page 14 (Amazonia), change “alligator” to “alligators”
Page 14 (Amazonia), hyphenate “hard-pressed” and “grade-schooler”
Page 15 (Naga Kingdom), change “extended family” to “extended families”
Page 15 (Naga Kingdom), change “initially joining” to “initially joined”
Page 15 (Naga Kingdom), change “Graduating a skillset” to “Graduating with a skillset” (insert “with”)
Page 16 (Yakut), change “Vernya’s interest” to “Vernya’s interests”
Page 17 (Killing Humans), change “in killing” to “to kill”
Page 19 (The Rat Race), change “Each cattle” to “Each cow”
Page 21 (Savage Kingdom), hyphenate “frothy-mouthed”
Page 21 (Savage Kingdom), change “teeth-blaring” to “teeth-baring”
Page 21 (Savage Kingdom), change “You put a piece” to “You implant a piece”
Page 21 (Savage Kingdom), change “teeth-blaring” to “teeth-baring”
Page 21 (Savage Kingdom), change “in the head of critters” to “in the heads of critters”
Page 22 (The Wild Card), hyphenate “ever-present”
Page 22 (The Wild Card), change “in regards to” to “regarding”
Page 28 (Street-Level Beastkeeping), change “a pair of loyal hellhounds as both mascot and enforcement” to “a pair of loyal hell hounds as both mascots and enforcers”
Page 39 (Alligator Mentor Spirit), rewrite the description to be about the Mentor, not the follower: “Gator feels at home … Gator is ill-tempered and lazy … His virtuous aspects are … ” etc. (compare with mentor spirit descriptions in SR5).
Page 39 (Alligator Disadvantages), change “A follower of the alligator” to “A follower of Gator”
Page 39 (Boar), change “bear size weight” to “bear size and weight” (insert “and”)
Page 41 (Eagle), make the Eagle’s ground movement rates slower than metahumans (they’re swift in the air, not on their feet)
Page 41 (Elephant), change the running rate from “x18” to “x8”
Page 41 (Elephant), swap the ratings for Clubs and Unarmed Combat (elephants shouldn’t be more proficient with improvised weapons than they are with their natural ones).
Page 41 (Elephant), add “+2 reach” to the details for the Natural Weapon power
Page 41 (Boar Mentor Spirit), rewrite the description to focus on the Mentor: “Boar is static … He keeps to a daily routine …” etc.
Page 42 (Giraffe Mentor Spirit), same thing: “Giraffe sees beyond the horizon … She seeks … Her followers may seem …” etc.
Page 43 (Dolphin Mentor Spirit), and again: “Dolphin is a graceful, free-spirited soul … She sees things optimistically … She is not naïve …” etc.
Page 43 (Whale Mentor Spirit), “Whale appreciates beauty … She holds personal honor …
Page 43 (Whale Disadvantages), change “followers of the whale” to “followers of Whale”
Page 43 (Whale Disadvantages), change “The Whale mentor spirit understands” to “Whale understands”
Page 44 (Domestic Cat), hyphenate “glow-in-the-dark”
Page 45 (Cockroach), change the ground movement multipliers to be slower than human (x1/x2/+1)
Page 45 (Crow), same thing: change the ground movement multipliers to be slower than human
Page 45 (Cosmetic sidebar), change “stripped giraffes” to “striped giraffes”
Page 45 (Flore-Pet sidebar), change “Fluorescence allows” to “Fluorescence enables”
Page 45 (Flore-Pet sidebar), change “is shined” to “shines”
Page 46 (Horse Mentor Spirit), revise the description to focus on the totem, not the follower: “Horse values freedom … He must be out … He is never … He does not like …” etc.
Page 46 (Horse Advantages), delete the parenthesis after “Craft”
Page 46 (Horse Advantages), change “May use the Movement critter power as a metamagic (self only, 3 times a day)” to “Increase movement rates to x3/x6/+3” (the critter power is NOT equivalent to 0.5 PP).
Page 46 (Raccoon Mentor Spirit), revise description to: “Raccoon would not call himself a thief. Maybe an entrepreneur. He is inquisitive and has … He is above petty theft …” etc.
Page 46 (Raccoon Disadvantages), change “The Raccoon is commonly one of the Thief totems” to “Raccoon is a mentor of thieves”
Page 47 (Spider Disadvantages), change “also have taken” to “also take”
Page 47 (Spider Disadvantages), change “shamas” to “shamans”
Page 51, change “cacophony” to “sound”
Page 51, hyphenate “roadie-ran”
Page 51, change “pounced him” to “pounced on him” (insert “on”)
Page 55 (Blood Monkey), change “Track (Smell) 4 (+2)” to “Track 4 (Smell +2)”
Page 73 (Snow Snake), change “stark white and tiny red eyes” to “stark white fur and tiny red eyes” (insert “fur”)
Page 76 (Volleying Porcupine), add to skills: “Exotic Ranged Weapon (Quills) 5”
Page 87 (Banshee), add to skills: “Assensing 4”
Page 87 (Dzoo-Noo-Qua), change “Aaawnsing 4” to “Assensing 4”
Page 92 (Amphora Mite), change “Climbing 6” to “Gymnastics 4 (Climbing +2)”
Page 95 (Flatworm Viper), change “impeded” to “embedded”
Page 96 (Glow Rat), hyphenate “projectile-vomit”
Page 98 (Killdeer), delete “inhabiting the city’s inhabitants”
Page 98 (Killdeer), change “breed pure” to “breed true”
Page 99 (Montauk), change “have led” to “has led”
Page 99 (Montauk), change “like its some” to “like it’s some” (insert apostrophe)
Page 99 (Neogargoyle), change “who have attempted” to “which have attempted”
Page 99 (Neogargoyle), change “the initial forming” to “the initial formation”
Page 99 (Neogargoyle), change “the membrane of its wings” to “its wing membranes”
Page 99 (Neogargoyle), change “lose eyesight” to “loses eyesight”
Page 102 (Razorcat), hyphenate “live-captured”
Page 102 (Sea Leech), change “no two see leaches” to “no two sea leeches”
Page 102 (Sea Leech), change “I’ve seen a sea leech” to “I saw a sea leech”
Page 102 (Sea Leech), change “during the twins’ quake” to “during the Twins quakes”
Page 102 (Sea Leech), change “seek prey” to “hunt”
Page 104 (Shardik), change “anything they think” to “anything it thinks”
Page 106 (Void Wasp), change “its hive mind” to “their hive mind”
Page 106 (Void Wasp), change “painful ache” to “piercing stab”
Page 106 (Void Wasp), change “a foveae” to “a fovea” (singular)
Page 106 (Void Wasp), add “Flying” to the Movement line in the stat block
Page 107 (Void Wasp), delete “Running 8” from the Skills line in the stat block
Page 113 (Nibiinaabe), delete the duplicate “Weaknesses” section from the stat block
Page 116 (Anarch), change “After ny first encounter” to “After my first encounter”
Page 116 (Croki), change “its a common courtesy” to “it’s a common courtesy” (insert apostrophe)
Page 121 (Duende), change “preverbial” to “proverbial”
Page 124 (Green Man), change “impacted” to “affected”
Page 137 (Woog), change “putrefication” to “putrefaction”
Page 139, change “on the astral” to “on the astral plane” or “in astral space” (twice)
Page 149 (Technocritter Stats), change “are listed” to “is listed”
Page 149 (Technocritter Stats), add a footnote: “Technocritters have a minimum rating 1 in all Matrix attributes.”
Pages 151–152 (They eat the Matrix), change “because there is something or other always updates” to “because something or other always updates” (delete “there is”)
Page 152 (Beasts of Nowhere), change “protosapients stats” to “protosapients’ stats” (plural possessive)
Page 166, change “a hellhound stray” to “a hell hound stray” (insert space)
Page 166, change “Mundane cockatrice” to “Mundane cockatrices” (plural)
Page 166, change “we can built” to “we can change”
Page 166, change “every new generation model” to just “every new generation” (delete “model”)
Page 166, change “chimerics, warforms, and biodrones” to “chimeras, warforms, and biodrones” (“chimeric” is an adjective; “chimera” is the noun; i.e., a chimeric critter is a chimera)
Page 166, change “The name chimerics derives” to “the name ‘chimera’ derives”
Page 166, change “vermonasal organs” to “vomeronasal organ”
Page 166, change “The most visible of the chimerics” to “The most visible chimeras”
Page 167, change “there are certain pets that have” to “certain pets have”
Page 167, change “commercial chimerics” to “commercial chimeras”
Page 168, change “quails” to “quail,”
Page 169, hyphenate “cross-species”
Page 169, change “One thing to remember with chimerics” to “One thing to remember with chimeras”
Page 170, change “Chimerics are always sterile” to “Chimeras are always sterile”
Page 170, change “Costs for chimerics” to “Costs for chimeras”
Page 170 (Chimeric Modifications), add a sourcebook/page reference for “base creature cost”
Page 170 (Chimeric Modifications), change “untested new chimeric” to “untested new chimera”
Page 170 (Aquatic Adaptation), delete “between critters”
Page 170 (Aquatic Adaptation), change “net successes” to “net hits”
Page 170 (Balance Tail), lowercase “balance, climbing, gymnastics, free-fall, or jumping–related”
Page 170 (Biotoxin Alteration), hyphenate “toxin-producing”
Page 171 (Biotoxin Alteration), change “Conducting actions” to “Acting”
Page 171 (Biotoxin Alteration), change “suffer no penalties” to “are not affected”
Page 171 (Biotoxin Alteration), change “the negative modifier would apply” to “the Willpower (2) test would apply.”
Page 171 (Camouflage), change “Whether it is” to “Whether it has”
Page 171 (Defensive Secretion), change “of the chimeric” to “of the chimera”
Page 171 (Echolocation), change “Visibility modifiers to Perception tests regardless of light conditions, even complete darkness” to “environmental modifiers for visibility or light conditions, even total darkness”
Page 171 (Enhanced Sense), hyphenate “Low-Light”
Page 171 (Enhanced Sense), change “Infrasonic Generator cyberware” to “infrasound generators”
Page 172 (Extra Head), change “Multi-headed chimerics” to “Multi-headed chimeras”
Page 172 (Gills), change “allowing them” to “allowing it”
Page 172 (Gills), change “added to chimerics” to “added to chimeras”
Page 172 (Ink Extrusion), change “under water” to “underwater” (remove space)
Page 172 (Ink Extrusion), change “an area covering a number of meters” to “a sphere with a radius in meters”
Page 172 (Natural Weapon), change “puts it on another” to “gives them to another.”
Page 172 (Proboscis), change “Exotic Melee Weapon (Trunk) skill (DV (STR – 1)P, Reach —, AP +1)” to “Unarmed Combat skill (DV (STR)S, Reach 0, AP 0).”
Page 173 (Quills), change “Exotic Melee Weapon (Quills) skill” to “Unarmed Combat skill”
Page 173, change “SAMPLE CHIMERICS” to “SAMPLE CHIMERAS”
Page 174 (Sugar Cat), change “Climbing 3” to “Gymnastics 1 (Climbing +2)”
Page 174 (The Genetic Kennel), change “Unlike chimerics, “ to “Unlike chimeras,”
Page 174 (The Genetic Kennel), change “Why even bother with chimerics?” to “Why even bother with chimeras?”
Page 174 (The Genetic Kennel), change “Chimerics were the first steps” to “Chimeras were the first steps”
Page 174 (The Genetic Kennel), change “new chimerics being made” to “new chimeras being made”
Page 175 (The Genetic Kennel), change “theatre” to “theater”
Page 175 (The Genetic Kennel), change “lèonized” to “Leónized”
Page 176 (The Genetic Kennel), change “hellhound” to “hell hound” (insert space) (twice)
Page 176 (Warform Modification), change “added to a warforms” to “added to a warform” (singular)
Page 177 (War Dolphin), add “swimming” to the movement line in the stat block
Page 177 (War Horse), change “to be tough, strong, have high endurance, and to be less skittish than other horses” to “to be tougher, stronger, hardier, and steadier than other horses.”
Page 178 (In the Belly of the Beast), hyphenate “cost-effective”
Page 179 (In the Belly of the Beast), change “ekylbene” to “ekyelebenle”
Page 179 (In the Belly of the Beast), hyphenate “harmless-looking
Page 180 (SkySpy), change the ground movement rates to be slower than human
Page 180 (Roachdrone), change the ground movement rates to be slower than human
Page 181 (Cybertooth Tiger), capitalize “Low-Light Vision”
Page 181 (Chameleon Pelt), change “blend in to” to “blend into”
Page 181 (CAST), change “A target marked as a target by the rigger” to “A target marked by the rigger”
Page 181 (sidebar), change “their claws” to “its claws”
Page 181 (sidebar), change “It replaces those claws and changes the damage” to “They replace those claws and change the damage”
Page 181 (sidebar), change “Spurs are unable to be used” to “Spurs cannot be used”
Page 182 (Orientation Goad), change “integral” to “integrated”
Page 182 (Stirrup Interface), hyphenate “large-scale”
Page 182 (SEIES), change “(SEIS)” to “(SEIES)”
Page 182 (TRACES), change “complimentary” to “complementary”
Page 183 (Training), hyphenate “time-consuming”
Page 183 (Step 2), change “Chimerics tend to be erratic” to “Chimeras tend to be erratic”
Page 183 (Step 2), change “Chimerics should increase” to “They should increase”
Page 184 (Step 5), change “a higher Body or Strength than you will attempt to attack the trainer,” to “a higher Body or Strength than its trainer will attack,”
Page 184 (Step 5), change “the new skill” to “the new trick”
Page 184–185 (SEIES Training), change “SEIS” to “SEIES” (four times)
Page 185 (Trigger Training), change “but most most commonly used triggers” to “but the most common triggers”
Page 185 (Critter Earphones), change “giver verbal commands” to “give verbal commands”
Page 185 (Critter Goggles), change “and to protect the eyes” to “and protecting the eyes”
Page 185 (Sensor Collar), change “information to the handler of the animal’s surroundings” to “information about the animal’s surroundings”
Page 186 (Armor sidebar), change “CRITTERS WEARING ARMOR” to “WEARING CRITTER ARMOR”
Page 186 (Ghost Hounds), change “perceive the astral” to “perceive astral space.”
Page 186 (Critter Cyberpsychosis), change “The augmentations performed on a creature have proven to be too much for a critter,” to “The critter’s augmentations prove to be too much for it,”
Page 186 (Precarious Physiology), change “the chimeric’s body” to “the critter’s body”
Page 188 (Adaptive Coloration), change “the critter gains a bonus to not be spotted” to “the critter is more difficult to spot.”
Page 188 (Adaptive Coloration), I strongly suggest changing “Magic Rating x 2” and “Intuition x 2” to just “Magic Rating” and “Intuition” respectively. Double the rating is too much.
Page 188 (Adaptive Coloration), change “theormographic” to “thermographic” (or “low-light,” because why would adaptive coloration affect body heat?)
Page 188 (Agony), delete “This doubling is calculated after any pain resistance or similar abilities are applied.”
Page 188 (Alienate), change “security guard’s Club tests” to “security guards’ Club tests” (plural possessive)
Page 188 (Control Focus), change “only by used by (critter’s Force)” to “only be used for (critter’s Magic)”
Page 190 (Elemental Effects Table), add Pollutant, Radiation, and Water from Street Grimoire (p.105).
Page 192 (Ghost Chain), change “is a connection of” to “connects”
Page 192 (Ghost Chain), change “they have some mental delusion making them believe they have an attachment to it” to “they have some delusional attachment to it”
Page 193 (Pestilence Disease sidebar), change “and pass to other living beings” to “and can be passed to other living beings.”
Page 194 (Secretion/Substance Extrusion), change “the length of its twice its body length” to “up to twice its body length”
Page 194 (Shift [Dracoform]), change “a number of rounds” to “a number of Combat Turns”
Page 194 (Shift [Dracoform]), change “unresisted each round” to “unresisted each turn”
Page 194 (Wall Walking), change “the Climbing skill” to “the Gymnastics skill” or “the Climbing specialization of the Gymnastics skill”
Page 195 (E-Hive), change “within signal range” to “within line of sight” or “within 100 meters”
Page 195 (Spraying), change “often makes visitors” to “often make visitors”
Page 195 (Venomous Code), change “some critter’s ability” to “some critters’ ability” (plural possessive)
Page 195 (Venomous Code), change “or mot” to “or not.”
Page 195 (Venomous Code), change “Speed: 1” to “Speed: 1 Combat Turn”
General note: Many paranormal critters from previous editions were mentioned by name in this book but not given any stats, such as merlin hawks, bonzo parrots, and blackberry cats (p.11); rockworms and mermaids (p.13); megalodons and krakens (p.20); woolly mammoths and wyverns (p.21); blood kites, eyekillers, stormcrows, Sangre del Diablo, and wyrd mantises (p.26); gloaming owls (p.27); quicksilver mongoose, talis cat, and incubus (p.28); bombardier (p.93); and ekyelebenle (p.179). These should be prioritized for the next supplement. You could call it Growling Shadows! … to be followed by Snarling Shadows, then Roaring Shadows, then … Please just take my money.
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Please just take my money.
Maybe they should give you some, instead of taking yours ^^
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*applause*
Did you make a price list, too? :)
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Please just take my money.
Maybe they should give you some, instead of taking yours ^^
+1 from me too
he who dances with a Green Arrow
Medicineman
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Missing critter power: "Substance Extrusion (Ink)," listed for squid (pg 43) and taser squid (pg 173).
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Hiho,
just got my German copy of Howling Shadows and there is good news: Pegasus included prices and availability as well as necessary lifestyle
Eagle 12F 7500¥ High
Alligator 6R 300¥ Middle
Ferret - 250¥ Middle
Goldfish - 2¥ Squatter
House Cat - 50¥ Squatter
Dog (cloned) - 75¥ Low
Horse 4 2000 Luxury
Chimpanzee 12R 20000¥ Luxury
Snake (non-venomous) - 100¥ Low
Boar 10 400¥ High
Abrams Lobster 14F 7000¥ High
Agropelter 12F 5000¥ High
Bandit 8R 2000¥ Low
Bear 16F 9000¥ Luxury
Barghest 15R 11000¥ High
Basilisk 14R 40000¥ Middle
Blood Monkey 16F 10000¥ Luxury
Volleying Porcupine 8R 1000¥ High
Demon Rat (only Alpha) 22F 30000¥ High
Unicorn 12R 8000¥ Luxury
Elephant 12F 55000¥ Luxury
Fenrir Wolf 10F 14000¥ Middle
Gomatia 8 5000¥ Middle
Great Cat 12R 5000¥ High
Hellhound 15R 10000¥ High
Horned Bear 13R 50000¥ Luxury
Mantikor 16F 40000¥ Luxury
Ozian Baboon 13R 65000 Luxury
Pegasus 12F 5000 Luxury
Peryton 10R 45000 Luxury
Phoenician Birds 17F 70000¥ High
Piasma 18F 80000¥ Luxury
Greater Wolverine 18F 46000¥ Luxury
Roc 9R 11500¥ High
Shadowhound 8R 3000¥ High
Snow Snake 8R 3000¥ High
Cockatrice 10R 3500¥ High
Sea Lion 12R 6000¥ Luxury
Devil Rat 6R 300¥ Squatter
Deathrattle 14F 22000¥ High
Deathspiral Butterfly 8F 500¥ Low
Wolf 12R 1000¥ Middle
Cerberus 20F 80000¥ Luxury
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"Adding prices just isn't what the book is for." - Someone who was wrooooong.
Uncalled for salt aside, that's awesome. Thanks! Any information on the cost of the Warform modification?
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#Saltrun
That aside many thanks Jack_Spade.
I like spreadsheets. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14UijZLuEYztYWWrqrOM56---F0uOXmR3tR3bp35Ke04/edit?usp=sharing)
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Any information on the cost of the Warform modification?
Nope, sorry. Warforms have no additional info as far as I can see