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Shadowrun 4E and Earthdawn connections?

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« Reply #120 on: <06-10-12/0935:53> »
Not to pour water on this grease fire, but just because something was called a continent in ancient times doesn't mean it conforms with our view of a continent. A large island, well off to sea, might get called a continent, especially if someone was looking to pump up their story, as people are wont to do. And islands can (and have) been wiped off the map before. And if an alchera could sink most of Los Angeles, who is to say what could happen to Thera, center of the world's most powerful magical empire?

And if Thera just happened to have been sent... elsewhere, it would hardly have been the first city to have had that happen. Parlainth was sent to the metaplanes during the Scourge, in hopes of hiding from the Horrors in a pinched off pocket of astral space. It didn't work, but there you go.
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« Reply #121 on: <06-10-12/1025:28> »
And Tehran was sent to the special hell courtesy of Aden.
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« Reply #122 on: <06-10-12/1039:27> »
And Tehran was sent to the special hell courtesy of Aden.
CanRay needed some company. ;)
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« Reply #123 on: <06-10-12/1121:17> »
And Tehran was sent to the special hell courtesy of Aden.
CanRay needed some company. ;)
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« Reply #124 on: <06-10-12/1205:10> »
yeah canray has his own specific special hell, full of pissed off demonic unicorns and gun-control nuts and anti-gamer nuts and a gaming store that only sells games designed by illiterate Swahili lion hunters, no guns, no good gamers stores, and no sane enough to deal with people.
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« Reply #125 on: <06-10-12/1250:26> »
yeah canray has his own specific special hell, full of pissed off demonic unicorns and gun-control nuts and anti-gamer nuts and a gaming store that only sells games designed by illiterate Swahili lion hunters, no guns, no good gamers stores, and no sane enough to deal with people.
And one group of gamers, that he always seems to be GMing for, and never gets the chance to play.
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« Reply #126 on: <06-10-12/1402:46> »
yeah canray has his own specific special hell, full of pissed off demonic unicorns and gun-control nuts and anti-gamer nuts and a gaming store that only sells games designed by illiterate Swahili lion hunters, no guns, no good gamers stores, and no sane enough to deal with people.
And one group of gamers, that he always seems to be GMing for, and never gets the chance to play.
Sounds like real life...  Or am I already in hell?
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« Reply #127 on: <06-10-12/1420:36> »
well that is one possibility,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #128 on: <06-10-12/1423:18> »
yeah canray has his own specific special hell, full of pissed off demonic unicorns and gun-control nuts and anti-gamer nuts and a gaming store that only sells games designed by illiterate Swahili lion hunters, no guns, no good gamers stores, and no sane enough to deal with people.
And one group of gamers, that he always seems to be GMing for, and never gets the chance to play.
Sounds like real life...  Or am I already in hell?

You could be in 'Hell on Earth'.

Though there is one case where that might not be so bad (mainly if it's the Deadlands setting by that name--the only version I've had interest in by the way).
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« Reply #129 on: <06-10-12/1425:09> »
yeah canray has his own specific special hell, full of pissed off demonic unicorns and gun-control nuts and anti-gamer nuts and a gaming store that only sells games designed by illiterate Swahili lion hunters, no guns, no good gamers stores, and no sane enough to deal with people.
And one group of gamers, that he always seems to be GMing for, and never gets the chance to play.
Sounds like real life...  Or am I already in hell?

You could be in 'Hell on Earth'.
Well, he is in Canada...
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« Reply #130 on: <06-10-12/1436:14> »
Poor CanRay. Abused by everyone on the boards.

Oh well. Time to go refill his Special Hell's pool with Africanized honey bees. :D
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« Reply #131 on: <06-10-12/1445:02> »
We only abuse him for the same reason we abuse the Chicago Cubs. Next game, he'll get to play! Next game!
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« Reply #132 on: <06-11-12/0138:48> »
There's a soundtrack?! Wantwantwant  :P  :o

I have recently . . . acquired . . . Plato's Timaeus and Critias (no relation to poster), though I haven't read them yet. Mirikon's points about the Atlantis legend/myth are good.
On the other side, you can sucessfully gain those "facts" by playing Indiana Jones: The fate of Atlantis a few years back. no need for serious legwork on this topic

I did the serious legwork.  I was going to write a whole Roleplaying Game based on my research.  I found a lot of strange stuff.  I had to practically teach myself Atlanteology in order to create a plausible setting. 

I read Quest for the Lost Civilization and Forbidden Archaeology.  I followed up on a lot of the Out of Place Artifacts.  I came to this conclusions after doing the research:

  • ]There was a Lost Civilization during the Age of Leo (12,000-10,000 B.C.) and part of the Age of Cancer.
  • They had Technology that rivaled ours.
  • There are strange artifacts that are collected, catalogued, and put away.
  • People's lives back in the Age of Leo were not much different from ours.  They had the same clothing styles, hair styles, etc.
  • Plato was a philosopher: but that doesn't mean he wasn't a scientist.  He got some details wrong though, but it still makes for a great RPG.  I usually consider him to be the grandfather of Science Fiction.

So, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Plus ça change . . .
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I don't know what got me smited a 15th time.  But i am very passionate about this subject, and I have done the research.  Atlanteology is about looking at other evidence of our Ancient Past, not following the usual line.  It's a different way of interpreting early Prehistory.  Now I don't subscribe to the Ancient Aliens theories, although I come across them a lot in my ongoing research (some of them are very plausible).

My research has taken me to the heavens now, and I found more and more evidence that Immanuel Velikovsky was correct. 

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« Reply #133 on: <06-11-12/0320:53> »
Now, talking about lost ancient civilizations/continents, we are talking here just about half of the story.
There is Atlantis, and there is also Mu/Lemuria...strange that there is nothing related to this in SR/ED universe

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« Reply #134 on: <06-11-12/0338:33> »
That's one of the points I was making Sichr. There are practically dozens of lost civilizations, reported in mythology and history. A lot of people lump all of that stuff onto Atlantis, because they hear about it the most.

Now, one thing to point out is the concept of drift. As stories are retold, they change slightly over time, until the original tale is lost almost beyond recognition. A small scale example of this would be to get a good size group of people together (say 20 or so) and play Telephone. The first person whispers a message in the ear of the person to their left, and that person repeats it to the person on their left, and so on, until it gets to the last person in the circle, who says whatever they were just told out loud. The result is usually hilarious, and rarely resembles the original message. The same happens in stories, especially oral histories. And even after the story is written, drift still occurs. Even in famous books, you see drift. Look at the Bible, for instance. If you went to Barnes & Noble and picked up a bible off the shelf, I guarantee it would not have the same language as the bible Gutenberg printed. And that is in perhaps the best known book of all time!

The point is that the tale we all have of Atlantis, where the advanced civilization got too arrogant, and were destroyed as their island sank beneath the waves after earthquakes and volcanoes, could easily have drifted from whatever the 'truth' actually is. Moreover, things like dates could have drifted as well.
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