Author Topic: See Me Not spell design/conversion  (Read 384 times)

Thanael

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See Me Not spell design/conversion
« on: (03:52:24/03-14-17) »
The 1e adventure Silver Angel introduced this spell:

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How would you convert it to SR5?
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #1 on: (14:51:37/03-14-17) »
Seems pretty straight forward.

Illusion Spell
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Type: M
Duration: S
Range: LOS
Drain: F-1
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #2 on: (23:52:40/03-14-17) »
I would say mental manipulation spell, not illusion.

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #3 on: (00:17:00/03-15-17) »
Yeah, it seems sort of like a variation on the Influence spell.

Thanael

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #4 on: (11:57:14/03-15-17) »
Exactly, it's more a suggestion type thing. Forget you ever saw me!

Do you see any problems with the description? Is it abusable? How does it compare to Influence balance-wise?

Could this be used for Teachdaire's famous ring focus?

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #5 on: (12:15:08/03-15-17) »
Distraction is a -2 penalty to Perception tests and has no impact on Memory Tests.  That's not nothing, but that's not worthy of a F-1 drain value.  The effect needs more definition and some sort of duration, even if it's a lengthy one like Alter Memory.
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Thanael

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #6 on: (12:36:30/03-15-17) »
In Silver Angel Callie Firebird uses it on a security guard who becomes distracted whenever she or White Tiger appear. He will not remember seeing them and remains in that state until something else attracts his attention.
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #7 on: (12:55:09/03-15-17) »
That's a triggered/preemptive Alter Memory.  I'm on my phone right now, but I think you'd be looking at F+3 as a starting point.  Altered Memory is...F+1?
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #8 on: (14:58:57/03-15-17) »
Yes Alter Memory is F+1, and Duration: P

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #9 on: (15:11:12/03-15-17) »
Yes Alter Memory is F+1, and Duration: P

Semi-P.  It has a hard cap as to how many months it lasts.

An absolute lack of recall might be overkill.  A spell that mimicked the effects of prosopagnosia would be almost as effective and since you aren't mucking with memories (their genuine memory is indistinct), you don't need to worry about months down the line getting a visit from the HRT.
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #10 on: (16:09:36/03-15-17) »
But it's not only that they forget the face, the forget/ignore the persons presence.

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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #11 on: (16:28:05/03-15-17) »
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.
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« Reply #12 on: (17:13:52/03-15-17) »
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of, "He was...I dunno, kinda average looking."  Like a suped-up version of Blandness.
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #13 on: (18:11:13/03-15-17) »
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of, "He was...I dunno, kinda average looking."  Like a suped-up version of Blandness.

Exactly... that was what I was envisioning as well. :)
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Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
« Reply #14 on: (23:20:56/03-15-17) »
The spell description clearly states that the target will not remember seeing the distracting images afterwards and that his own distraction was perfectly normal.