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Title: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Thanael on <03-14-17/0352:24>
The 1e adventure Silver Angel introduced this spell:

[spoiler](http://i66.tinypic.com/fcip7a.jpg)[/spoiler]

How would you convert it to SR5?
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: &#24525; on <03-14-17/1451:37>
Seems pretty straight forward.

Illusion Spell
(Realistic, Single-sense)
Type: M
Duration: S
Range: LOS
Drain: F-1
[insert description here]
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Rosa on <03-14-17/2352:40>
I would say mental manipulation spell, not illusion.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Kiirnodel on <03-15-17/0017:00>
Yeah, it seems sort of like a variation on the Influence spell.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Thanael on <03-15-17/1157:14>
Exactly, it's more a suggestion type thing. Forget you ever saw me!

Do you see any problems with the description? Is it abusable? How does it compare to Influence balance-wise?

Could this be used for Teachdaire's famous ring focus?

[spoiler](http://i65.tinypic.com/90w2n5.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Kincaid on <03-15-17/1215:08>
Distraction is a -2 penalty to Perception tests and has no impact on Memory Tests.  That's not nothing, but that's not worthy of a F-1 drain value.  The effect needs more definition and some sort of duration, even if it's a lengthy one like Alter Memory.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Thanael on <03-15-17/1236:30>
In Silver Angel Callie Firebird uses it on a security guard who becomes distracted whenever she or White Tiger appear. He will not remember seeing them and remains in that state until something else attracts his attention.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Kincaid on <03-15-17/1255:09>
That's a triggered/preemptive Alter Memory.  I'm on my phone right now, but I think you'd be looking at F+3 as a starting point.  Altered Memory is...F+1?
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Thanael on <03-15-17/1458:57>
Yes Alter Memory is F+1, and Duration: P
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Kincaid on <03-15-17/1511:12>
Yes Alter Memory is F+1, and Duration: P

Semi-P.  It has a hard cap as to how many months it lasts.

An absolute lack of recall might be overkill.  A spell that mimicked the effects of prosopagnosia would be almost as effective and since you aren't mucking with memories (their genuine memory is indistinct), you don't need to worry about months down the line getting a visit from the HRT.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Thanael on <03-15-17/1609:36>
But it's not only that they forget the face, the forget/ignore the persons presence.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Tym Jalynsfein on <03-15-17/1628:05>
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Kincaid on <03-15-17/1713:52>
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of, "He was...I dunno, kinda average looking."  Like a suped-up version of Blandness.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Tym Jalynsfein on <03-15-17/1811:13>
See, that is not how I read the description of the spell you provided... They become distracted whenever faced with the reality of whichever image you provided for the spell... That is not the same as forget/ignore their presence.

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of, "He was...I dunno, kinda average looking."  Like a suped-up version of Blandness.

Exactly... that was what I was envisioning as well. :)
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Rosa on <03-15-17/2320:56>
The spell description clearly states that the target will not remember seeing the distracting images afterwards and that his own distraction was perfectly normal.
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Senko on <03-16-17/0244:26>
"Ewww cockroach." Stomp, stomp, stomp "Huh what are you talking about no one's been in for the past 5 hours check the camera recording . . . hey who were those guys?" as opposed to "Ewww cockroach." Stomp, stomp "yeah, yeah go on through.' stomp. "Yeah I let some scientist in he had the right access card." you mean?
Title: Re: See Me Not spell design/conversion
Post by: Rosa on <03-16-17/1127:37>
In my opinion the spell description supports your first example rather than the second yes.

And it's worth noting as Senko mentions, that the spell doesn't prevent cameras and other types of sensors from recording your presence and possibly alerting security.

Also I disagree with the opinion that the spell needs a higher drain code than alter memory since the actual memory manipulation in the See-Me-Not spell is far less intrusive and substantial than in alter memory.  Since the spell is supposed to be sustained, you could always discuss whether the memory loss is potentially permanent or only lasts as long as the spell is sustained.